need info. female maybe prego!!!!

[irishlops]

hello!:biggrin2female- 4months old, 5 months in the new year. sire and dam are brother and sister!)

i would like to explain, my female, dwarf lop eared rabbit may be a mum.... so basicly im not a breeder, or person who knows about this....

do i need a 2 hutches?

how old till the kits are weaned (i am treating this like she is, i dont want a surprize litter!)

should she have E-spay? (i am unsure about this...)

should she be brought to the breeder to (un sure how to spell..) palete????

should she be brought in side?

should there be a hot water bottle?

i will ask ore questions later..:biggrin2:

ps. i will be out of town all day tomorrow, so i will not be able to answer back. and i a not aloud on laptop so on and off answers/posts.... :biggrin2please eep on topic aswell)

 

[paul2641]

irishlops wrote:

hello!:biggrin2: (female- 4months old, 5 months in the new year. sire and dam are brother and sister!)

i would like to explain, my female, dwarf lop eared rabbit may be a mum.... so basicly im not a breeder, or person who knows about this....

do i need a 2 hutches?

how old till the kits are weaned (i am treating this like she is, i dont want a surprize litter!)

should she have E-spay? (i am unsure about this...)

should she be brought to the breeder to (un sure how to spell..) palete????

should she be brought in side?

should there be a hot water bottle?

i will ask ore questions later..:biggrin2:

ps. i will be out of town all day tomorrow, so i will not be able to answer back. and i a not aloud on laptop so on and off answers/posts.... :biggrin2please eep on topic aswell)

Yes you need 2 hutches if not more for the babies when you separate them.

About 6 weeks is the best time to start weaning.

That's up to you if you want to emercancy spay her.

Well it would be a good idea to bring to the origanal breeder for him/her to palpate to she if she is pregnant.

Best not to if she is expecting it will stress her out.

Maybe a luke warm one so she doesn't get burned but it has to have a cover still.


Hope this helps.

If the more experianced breeders can correct me please do!!

 

[irishbunny]

Yes you need two more cage/hutches. You need one for the doe, one for the buck and one for the babies when it's time for them to be weaned.

The kits should be weaned by 8 weeks old.

If it was up to me, yes I'd get her to have an emergency spay because a) she is too young to have kits and it's a risk to her life not to mention the kits b) they are brother and sister which means the kits have a good chance of being born with defects and problems. Which will cost you alot of money in vets bills if they have problems such as teeth problems where they have to visit the vet regularly. (someone might be able to elaborate on this)

I'm not sure if your breeder is a good one since he said he'd buy the kits back off you, basically encouraging you to breed them even though they are brother and sister so to be on the safe side I'd go to the vet and let them palpate and decide whether she should be spayed.

There isn't really any need to be brought inside, plus the house could be too hot for her since she has probably grown a winter coat and could over heat in the house.

No I wouldn't give her a hot water bottle.

To finish, there is a good chance they isn't pregnant since both her and the male are quite young, she might be too young to get pregnant and her might also be too young to get her pregnant.

 

[Sabine]

In retrospect I agree with irishbunny about the breeder. He may not be the best to take care of the doe after having indirectly encouraged breeding the two knowing they are brother and sister. They may even be inbred already and you'd have no idea what you are getting genetically

 

[paul2641]

Sabine wrote:

In retrospect I agree with irishbunny about the breeder. He may not be the best to take care of the doe after having indirectly encouraged breeding the two knowing they are brother and sister. They may even be inbred already and you'd have no idea what you are getting genetically

Any respectable breeder wouldn't sell a male and female from the same litter. Well I wouldn't anyway. Like I have found a breeder who is going to be getting be a male and female american fuzzy lop and they will only have the same father at the worst. They may not even be any way related.

 

[irishbunny]

paul2641 wrote:

Sabine wrote:

In retrospect I agree with irishbunny about the breeder. He may not be the best to take care of the doe after having indirectly encouraged breeding the two knowing they are brother and sister. They may even be inbred already and you'd have no idea what you are getting genetically

Any respectable breeder wouldn't sell a male and female from the same litter. Well I wouldn't anyway. Like I have found a breeder who is going to be getting be a male and female american fuzzy lop and they will only have the same father at the worst. They may not even be any way related.

The same father is still bad and you could still end up with problems, that breeder musn't be a very good one either. I wouldn't buy from him at all if he can't show you both their sets of parents.

 

[paul2641]

irishbunny wrote:

paul2641 wrote:

Sabine wrote:

In retrospect I agree with irishbunny about the breeder. He may not be the best to take care of the doe after having indirectly encouraged breeding the two knowing they are brother and sister. They may even be inbred already and you'd have no idea what you are getting genetically

Any respectable breeder wouldn't sell a male and female from the same litter. Well I wouldn't anyway. Like I have found a breeder who is going to be getting be a male and female american fuzzy lop and they will only have the same father at the worst. They may not even be any way related.

The same father is still bad and you could still end up with problems, that breeder musn't be a very good one either. I wouldn't buy from him at all if he can't show you both their sets of parents.

Well he said that was a last resort. And I really don't know will they be related he only just said like if you want them now but I said I'll wait till fubruary when he can get in some better supplies. I'll text him now asking will they be related and I'll pm you irishbunny with his reply!!

 

[irishbunny]

OK, don't buy off him though if they are, you could just be creating problems for yourself.

 

[Sabine]

P.S. the same father may not be an issue since show breeders use a certain amount of inbreeding to establish a line with certain traits. I will be using this type of line breeding for Magic. But coming back to irishlops breeder. he definately sounds bad news. Better stay away from him and consult the vet

 

[paul2641]

irishbunny wrote:

OK, don't buy off him though if they are, you could just be creating problems for yourself.

Thanks for the advice. I also found another breeder but his american fuzzy lops are way too cheap a bit fishy €15 I said €150 back to him not believing thattheycould be so cheap. Like The one I'm thinking ofbuying from is€50 for a female and €40 for a male that seems lessfishy.

Sorry for going off topic.

 

[irishbunny]

Sabine wrote:

P.S. the same father may not be an issue since show breeders use a certain amount of inbreeding to establish a line with certain traits. I will be using this type of line breeding for Magic. But coming back to irishlops breeder. he definately sounds bad news. Better stay away from him and consult the vet

What Paul means is the rabbits that he will be breeding together will have the same father and he'll be breeding them together. Where with Magic you are breeding her to her father.

 

[paul2641]

irishbunny wrote:

Sabine wrote:

P.S. the same father may not be an issue since show breeders use a certain amount of inbreeding to establish a line with certain traits. I will be using this type of line breeding for Magic. But coming back to irishlops breeder. he definately sounds bad news. Better stay away from him and consult the vet

What Paul means is the rabbits that he will be breeding together will have the same father and he'll be breeding them together. Where with Magic you are breeding her to her father.

It's not defo that they will even be related!

 

[irishbunny]

I know I'm just using it as an example.

 

[Sabine]

still not sure if half siblings are a problem. Best to put the question as a new thread in the rabbitry to get some breeders that have more experience with line breeding to comment. There were some threads about it but I can't find themright now
My guess is if you start off with two half siblings you will have to introduce new blood sooner down the line

 

[BlueCamasRabbitry]

Irishlops, why did you start a new thread when you still have the old one that's the same thing? You can still ask new questions in the other one, just letting you know. Not trying to be rude or anything.

Emily

 

[Becca]

Oh I just wanted to say something...

My rabbits (Dippy and Fluffball) the breeder told us they were both girls until I saw them mating one day (at about 4 months) and had to seperate them, we thought Fluffball might be pregnant then but she wasn't there is still a chance she won't be pregnant... though I suppose it depends how long they were together...

But I'm not a breeder so I will shut up :biggrin2:

 

[irishlops]

i am only on for like 3mins... well i read every ones opinnion...

the breeder said to get them netered. but if they get there before the vets .. he would that them off my hands and help me through birth, if she does not ccept them.. ect....

So i need 2 MORE hutchs? yes? 1 for the male and then the weaned bbies.. ok.

but i still do not know any way. im going to ring that vet and tell him that he (and she ) are going to be 5months excltly on new years say. and that his testicals have dropped, and he is trying to be funny..:shock:

oh.. i will be on soon. i am banned from the laptop, thats why i am on and off.

thanks every one! i have found out more infomtion now thanks to you!:biggrin2:

 

[irishlops]

Sabine wrote:

still not sure if half siblings are a problem. Best to put the question as a new thread in the rabbitry to get some breeders that have more experience with line breeding to comment. There were some threads about it but I can't find themright now
My guess is if you start off with two half siblings you will have to introduce new blood sooner down the line

what are half siblings are.... butthey are brother and sister....

i am not plnning to breed. but maybe when, "irishlops rabbit centre" opens to the puplic in my head i might....

 

[paul2641]

irishlops wrote:

Sabine wrote:

still not sure if half siblings are a problem. Best to put the question as a new thread in the rabbitry to get some breeders that have more experience with line breeding to comment. There were some threads about it but I can't find themright now
My guess is if you start off with two half siblings you will have to introduce new blood sooner down the line

what are half siblings are.... butthey are brother and sister....

i am not plnning to breed. but maybe when, "irishlops rabbit centre" opens to the puplic in my head i might....

This comment wasn't directed towards you, but to me.

 

[irishbunny]

irishlops wrote:

i am only on for like 3mins... well i read every ones opinnion...

the breeder said to get them netered. but if they get there before the vets .. he would that them off my hands and help me through birth, if she does not ccept them.. ect....

So i need 2 MORE hutchs? yes? 1 for the male and then the weaned bbies.. ok.

but i still do not know any way. im going to ring that vet and tell him that he (and she ) are going to be 5months excltly on new years say. and that his testicals have dropped, and he is trying to be funny..:shock:

oh.. i will be on soon. i am banned from the laptop, thats why i am on and off.

thanks every one! i have found out more infomtion now thanks to you!:biggrin2:

Try explaining to the vet as best as possible and see what his opinion is then, let him know that they are brother and sister. Yes it's two more hutches that you need, so in total you should have three hutches. If you can't get the extra hutches or can't afford to look after them then I'd take up on the breeders offer.