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Do you guys think he has more than 10% coloring? And would pass through the judges with just enough markings?
He does have a stripe down his back...maybe not enough markings?


 
I would also really look more into body type. I'm not a ND breeder so can't help out....but that would be more important.


and that statement is not suppose to come off as rude as it does. He's a gorgeous lil rabbit =)
 
I am not sure he woud pass with enough color, but it is worth a try. I think with him it would just have to be a judgement call. Some judges may let him pass and some may not.
 
I emailed him around to some judges and so far 1 said he'd pass and the rest said they would DQ, another judge said he'll be controversial and it wont be a guarentee
 
Glen Carr mentioned years ago that he considered a well marked head to be 7%, so all that is needed to complete the package would be a spot on the back to make the 10%.

It's close, but I'd probably let that bun pass. Hard to say for certain without seeing it in person.
 
my question is, what would his offspring throw? Would they be as questionable? Because if thats what you're using him for, I would lean towards not keeping.

Basically, his so few of markings, would it be more common for him to throw off spring the same way, or with more color?
 
Man wheres a broken or English Spot breeder when you need one! lol. I can help kind of, i just know from what i learned with a friend who breeds spots. If she throws a charlie she usually doesn't use them As far as charlie i am not sure if they are totally white or if they have head markings and no body color (this one i am assuming). So then if she gets a very scarcely marked spot she keeps it and breed it to a very congested spot and she ends up coming out with nice babies. Like others said i would focus on type and breed to a broken with almost too much color and you might get something nice.
 
I have some english spots, and i am still learning about them(forever probably) but I know with my spots, Nessa is fairly marked, and Spike(my buck) has no spots, bred together I got an aray of too spotted to no spots. Nessa's mother is a solid colored spot, so knowing what's behidnthem can also help determine if you want to try keeping him for brood stock.
As for your baby, if it's for showing, I don't think there's quite enough color. I had a HOlland with those markings, maybe a hair more and he was DQ'd for lack of color by 4 diff. judges, but I bred him to a solid doe and got some nice babies out of him. He had the type, just not enough color. If you do keep him for brood stock I'd say cross to solid or over colored brokens
 
Blaze_Amita wrote:
I have some english spots, and i am still learning about them(forever probably) but I know with my spots, Nessa is fairly marked, and Spike(my buck) has no spots, bred together I got an aray of too spotted to no spots. Nessa's mother is a solid colored spot, so knowing what's behidnthem can also help determine if you want to try keeping him for brood stock.
As for your baby, if it's for showing, I don't think there's quite enough color. I had a HOlland with those markings, maybe a hair more and he was DQ'd for lack of color by 4 diff. judges, but I bred him to a solid doe and got some nice babies out of him. He had the type, just not enough color. If you do keep him for brood stock I'd say cross to solid or over colored brokens
I agree with this But breed just to a solid cause if you breed to a broken you will end up with some more charlies..........Toby
 

[align=left]This guy has some great tips for brokens I am taking his advice as I am trying to get some good brokens but I must say a good charlie is hard to come by. If breeding brokens is your goal I would keep him. That is my opinion but I am not a nethie breeder I do mini rex.[/align]
[align=left]Crystal[/align]
[align=left]Broken Satins[/align]

[align=left]By Randy Shumaker, Sanger, CA[/align]
[align=left]In the late 1970's and early 1980's, when I was showing Rex[/align]
[align=left]exclusively, I had little knowledge of or exposure to Satins. The[/align]
[align=left]only time I even noticed them was when Dave and Fay Hauser,[/align]
[align=left]who had been winning a lot in Indiana, would put up one of their[/align]
[align=left]beautiful Coppers for Best in Show. While these animals were[/align]
[align=left]always one of the most striking on the table, Satins were just not[/align]
[align=left]something I was interested in raising. That all changed when I[/align]
[align=left]attended my first ARBA Convention in Houston in 1985.[/align]
[align=left]Sometime before 1985 I had quit raising Rex and was attending the Houston convention possibly looking for a new[/align]
[align=left]breed. I had heard that Broken Satins were in their final year as a presentation variety. Brokens were always my[/align]
[align=left]favorite variety of Rex so I was curious about this new variety of Satins and decided to check them out. While in[/align]
[align=left]Houston I met Al Lunde. We looked at several Brokens, including the ones that won BOV and BOSV. From the[/align]
[align=left]moment I first saw a Broken Black I thought they were the most attractive and appealing of all rabbits and remain[/align]
[align=left]my favorite to this day.[/align]
[align=left]Unfortunately all Al had left to sell was a Black doe but he graciously agreed to breed her to a fine Broken buck.[/align]
[align=left]She kindled and included in her litter were three Broken Blacks! Later in the convention Satins were approved for[/align]
[align=left]their third and final showing and would become eligible for competition February 1, 1986. I couldn't wait to get my[/align]
[align=left]first three Brokens to the table![/align]
[align=left]The success, and to an even greater degree the quality, of Brokens was assured almost immediately. Experienced[/align]
[align=left]breeders from around the country had been breeding Brokens for some time before their final showing. Just three[/align]
[align=left]months after their eligibility, tbe National Satin show was held in Bloomington, Illinois. Brokens were the second[/align]
[align=left]largest variety with 90 shown and Jim Wahls' Senior Doe won Best Opposite Sex of Breed! This was only the first[/align]
[align=left]of two Best Opposite Sexes and four Best of Breeds in ten years of national competition. Only Whites have won[/align]
[align=left]more during the same period at Nation_ Satin Shows and AREA Conventions. At all but one of these shows[/align]
[align=left]Brokens have also had the second most entries. Jim Lemon's sweepstakes data shows that for the last five years[/align]
[align=left]Brokens have been second to Whites in the following categories: total shown, average shown per show, number of[/align]
[align=left]Best of Breed wins and number of Best Opposite Sex wins.[/align]
[align=left]During the first ten years of national competition there have been twenty different exhibitors win either a Best or[/align]
[align=left]Best Opposite of Variety Broken. Following is a complete list of winning exhibitors and numbers shown during[/align]
[align=left]these first ten years.[/align]

[align=left]Breeding Brokens[/align]

[align=left]A lot has already been written about breeding Brokens. Al Lunde has written several articles that have appeared[/align]
[align=left]over the years. Brian Sawchuk wrote a very good article covering the basics of Broken genetics that appeared in the[/align]
[align=left]July-August 1991 issue of the "Satin News." Jack Etnyre's article for the last edition of the guidebook was excellent[/align]
[align=left]and covered the history, genetics and exhibition of Brokens. Before I go any further I must say I am far from an[/align]
[align=left]expert on genetics. I would, however, like to relate to you some of my past experiences and the direction I am[/align]
[align=left]currently trying to go with my Broken breeding program.[/align]
[align=left]When I was first breeding for Brokens my main goal was to get the highest percentage of show able animals. I knew[/align]
[align=left]that if I bred a "charlie" Broken to a solid I would get all showable Brokens. However, finding a good "charlie" is[/align]
[align=left]fairly difficult since most breeders do not save them and raising a good one can also take some time. The next best[/align]
[align=left]option, and the most-commonly recommended, was to breed Brokens to solids of the same variety. This proved to[/align]
[align=left]be successful and was the combination I used almost exclusively for the first few years. Usually half the litters were[/align]
[align=left]showable Brokens and the other half solids. Many of these solids did very well on the show table. To this day, I[/align]
[align=left]almost never breed Black to Black or Chin to Chin solids. I maintain these solid brood animals to help produce[/align]
[align=left]Brokens, my main goal.[/align]
[align=left]At some point I became dissatisfied with raising just "showable" Brokens. The improvements made from generation[/align]
[align=left]to generation were insignificant, particularly in the area of fur. Most of the Blacks I had seen or raised had a thinner,[/align]
[align=left]coarser coat than it was going to take to win big. By continually breeding Brokens to these solid animals improving[/align]
[align=left]the fur was very difficult.[/align]
[align=left]During this same period of time I was also raising Whites. The quality of my Whites in both fur and type was[/align]
[align=left]significantly better than my Brokens. I decided to try some White to Broken crosses. I would only breed White[/align]
[align=left]bucks to Broken Black does. I did not want to tie up my White does raising colored rabbits. This cross, White bucks[/align]
[align=left]to Broken Black does, has accounted for about 75% of the Brokens I have put on the table in: the last several years.[/align]
[align=left]This includes all three of my Best of Breeds and also Best of Variety Black, Blue, Chin and Brokens at National[/align]
[align=left]Shows and ARBA Conventions. Most of these successes were due to a significant improvement in fur. Also[/align]
[align=left]interesting, was the fact that the color of the Black, Chin and Blue was very good.[/align]
[align=left]Obviously, the background of the particular Whites and Brokens you cross is significant to the outcome of the[/align]
[align=left]litters. All White (albino) animals carry two recessive albino genes that suppress the display of the actual color that[/align]
[align=left]the rabbit carries. I feel that most White Satins, unlike a lot of other breeds with white varieties, carry the genetic[/align]
[align=left]tendencies for Black and Chin Satins. When bred to Broken Blacks that do not carry the albino gene, the outcome[/align]
[align=left]will be the same as if you bred Broken to solid, that being 50% solid and 50% Broken. However, if the Broken does[/align]
[align=left]carry an albino gene, the resulting litters should be 50% White. It is for this reason I have tried to only breed Whites[/align]
[align=left]to Broken Blacks that do not carry an albino gene. Broken offspring from these crosses can then be bred back to[/align]
[align=left]solid Blacks.[/align]
[align=left]A common misconception concerning the above scenario is Whites will be responsible for scattered white hairs or[/align]
[align=left]white spots, white nails, light eyes or light foot pads when bred to solids or Brokens. This is simply not true. The[/align]
[align=left]double albino gene can only be responsible for a pure white rabbit. The modifying genes responsible for the faults[/align]
[align=left]and disqualifications listed above come only from the inhibited color genes the albino genes are suppressing. You[/align]
[align=left]may experience a certain degree of these problems when breeding to Whites. This is only because they have not[/align]
[align=left]been bred out of the colored animals in the background of the Whites since they would not be expressed, obviously,[/align]
[align=left]because they are white.[/align]
[align=left]In ten years of raising Broken Satins I have not come close to experiencing all of the possibilities. This is what[/align]
[align=left]makes Brokens so appealing. I have, however, tried to give you a little insight to my experiences with this most[/align]
[align=left]intriguing variety. Solid to Broken crosses of the same variety remain the most common and most recommended,[/align]
[align=left]especially to the beginner. Whatever path you choose to take will probably have a few bumps and turns but I'm quite[/align]
sure you will find your experiences with the Satin's newest variety most rewarding and challenging! Good luck!
 

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