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Jenk

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I would like to know how other bun-savvy caretakers would handle this situation.

My Emma has had three vet visits for her current stasis. She was hospitalized half the day last Monday (to get injectable Reglan and Metacam--and to raise her body temp.). She also got injectable Reglan and Metacam at the vet's on Tues. morning.

She was hospitalized early Wed. until Fri. afternoon. When I brought her home, I saw she'd lost weight, and her fecals had become more small and dry.

I took her to an exotics-only vet Sat. morning. Based on Emma's alertness and slight gut sounds, he advised that I treat her at home. Her temp. was registered at 97-deg. F, so I've been putting her on a heating pad off/ on, as time allows, since then.

Since Sat. morning, Emma's fecal production became more scant and tiny. (Her latest fecals are 1/8" in dia.; they're normally 2.5 times that size.) She's eating little hay but is still eating her greens.

I'm panicked, but the exotics-only vet thinks I should give Emma a few more days' on the current regimen (oral motility drugs, sub-Qs, Metacam, and probiotic). He thinks Emma wasn't fed enough Critical Care when last hospitalized and believes her gut needs more time to start passing out what's recently been put into it. But my primary vet says Emma had a "decent amount" of food in her stomach, per x-rays taken Wed.

I syringed her 50 mL's of Critical Care between 4/11 and 4/12; she received much fewer mL's of it when hosptalized; and I've fed her 10 mL's on 4/15 and 35 mL's on both 4/16 and 4/17. I'm a bit freaked because she's received all this food and isn't passing nearly enough fecals. I'm worried that the pressure against her gut wall will become too much.

Thank you,

Jenk

NOTE: I found a small, intact cluster of cecals on Emma's pen floor; she ate them from my fingers. I've never before seen a sign of her cecals prior to today. Not sure if that's a bad or an okay sign. :confused2:


 
I know it takes awhile but some buns don't pull thru and as I have told you before that we had to return our choc buck, not syainf you should do this but he just didn't get better but I've hers nothing but great news from the previous owner he's doing better. I wish I knew what was causing your buns stasis. It would help out alot. I hers it could be a new home, antibiotic overload, change in weather, or even stress.
 
If she is getting enough fluidsI would continue to treat her at home. You are the doing basically the same thing at home to help her but minus the stress of being in a strange place.
Do you ever use simethicone Jen?

you can actually feel her tummy to see if she is really distended...

there have been times that I have treated a rabbit myself at home for several days and then finally gone to the vet in frustration over lack of poop only to be told that the xray showed that stool was seen passing through through the intestines ...sometimes it really can take awhile
 
angieluv wrote:
If she is getting enough fluidsI would continue to treat her at home. You are the doing basically the same thing at home to help her but minus the stress of being in a strange place.
I agree that they're comfortable in a familiar place, but I wonder how effective the oral motility drugs are if they're essentially "blocked" by so much ingesta material in her stomach.

Do you ever use simethicone Jen?
Indeed, I do. I started using it at the first sign of her gut pain early Monday morning. I've given it twice daily since then.

you can actually feel her tummy to see if she is really distended...
I'm technically a bad judge, since I have trouble trusting my own judgment. (Yes, I know that sounds silly, but it ties in with anxiety.) All I know is that her entire digestive system feels very full/firm to me--no surprise, considering how much Critical Care she's been fed and so very little coming out of her. :(

there have been times that I have treated a rabbit myself at home for several days and then finally gone to the vet in frustration over lack of poop only to be told that the xray showed that stool was seen passing through through the intestines ...sometimes it really can take awhile.
It's the "a while" part that trips me up--along with the anxiety, which makes me want to run to the vet's at the nearest sign of a problem. *sigh* I feel that since this issue really showed it's colors last Monday--and since treatment started that day--she should be showing marked improvement by now; she's not, which has me in mental fits.

Her gut sounds seem sluggish/slight to me, which also worries me that the motility drugs aren't having an effect if they're sitting in her stomach with a bunch of ingesta material.

I've been encouraging Emma to rest on a heating pad set on low, which is covered with a towel and a flannel pillow case. So far, she's been good about it. But I don't know if he temp. really was 97-deg. F when the vet saw her on Sat. If it was, then it likely means that her gut motility was really struggling at that time and isn't catching up now.

I realize I'm rambling, but it's just so darn hard for me to deal with rabbit-related gut issues--harder than for someone who doesn't have anxiety, that is.
 
angieluv wrote:
If she is getting enough fluidsI would continue to treat her at home. You are the doing basically the same thing at home to help her but minus the stress of being in a strange place.
I forgot to mention that she's been getting 80 cc's of sub-Q's since Monday. And, of course, she's been receiving much extra water from the Critical-Care feedings. But it's hard to say how well she's been absorbing the oral fluids. As it is, her temp. was 97-deg. F on Monday and seemed to be that low again on Sat.
 
MiniLopHop wrote:
Have you tried massaging the abdomen? That seemed to really help my bunn, but she wasn't in distress as long. Good luck :pray:
I gave her a mild massage about two days' ago to see if I felt gas; I did feel some break up in her lower digestive tract (could've been her cecum).

I wound up taking her back to the vet today, and he offered me three care options. I selected the option to hospitalize her again (this time at the exotics-only clinic) because an x-ray taken today shows a decent food build-up in Emma's stomach. And if I were to give her injectable Reglan at home and it didn't seem to work in a day or two, I'd just bring her back to be hospitalized anyway. (And then I'd be paying the extra weekend fee for boarding/hospitalization. Ugh.)

So please keep your fingers crossed that Emma pulls through this stasis bout with flying colors.
 
I am Hun. I got my fingers crossed for you and got your baby on my mind. O so hope this works outfor you. I wish there was more info out ther for stasis. I might add something to my site to get the word out. Since this is year of the rabbit and Easter is about I belies the stasis word needs to spread. It's a serious illness that affects the sensitive buns.
 
Jenk wrote:
Since Sat. morning, Emma's fecal production became more scant and tiny. (Her latest fecals are 1/8" in dia.; they're normally 2.5 times that size.) She's eating little hay but is still eating her greens.
Rabbits eating veggies only naturally have small, dark and often misshapen poops.

Pipp doesn't eat hay or grass and has, just a ton of veggies, and always has very tiny and twisted little black poops, but she's perfectly healthy.


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Did you look into the option I mentioned previously?

I hope she is doing ok, and that you are also hanging in there.
 
MiniLopHop wrote:
The xray didn't show a blockage did it? I will be thinking of you and your baby :pray:
Digital x-rays didn't indicate a blockage. But she's still passing small, dry fecals--even with all the motility drugs, sub-Qs, Metacam, and Critical-Care feedings.

Thank you, MiniLopHop. :hug:
 
Flashy wrote:
Did you look into the option I mentioned previously?

I hope she is doing ok, and that you are also hanging in there.
Hi, Flashy.

I have not yet looked into that option but have not forgotten about it. (You made the suggestion based on Zoe's issues, not Emma's. Gets confusing after a while, doesn't it? ;))

Zoe, btw, was just found today to have a mass in her abdomen. (It seems that the Universe is always raining on my bun parade.) We're awaiting blood work results to see if they clarify the issue. She's not even four years old; it seems so unfair that after all her Cow-Pile Syndrome issues, she/we are now dealing with this situation. :tears2:
 
I made a suggestion based on all your bunnies because I know how much you have struggled with all their guts :)

I hope that the mass isn't anything catastrophic and can be sorted.
 

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