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DyemondRabbitry

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Ok, so my friend is having an issue with her horse being boarded at my parent's house. She used to pay about $100 every 1.5-2 months but now it's about every 3 or 4. Also, her horse is in horrible shape. Actually, it is one the humane society would sieze and put down. She is never going to be completely better and she's been told this but she will not allow the animal to be put down. Please read this letter and tell me what you think. I know it is very long but it takes that much to explain. Thanks to all of you. And o yeah, we've been very good friends for along time... pretty close. PLUS I have to work with her mother every day in an office of only 3 people... sticky situation.

First lets see what the horses at mom and dad's need everyday. They need to be lead to the pasture (there are three so that means 2 trips). Once in the pasture they need to have a bale of hay hauled down for them. That's another trip. Then they need water. You can count on about 3 five gallon buckets per horse. This only has to be hauled from over by the trailer but that's still 8 trips when you have 2 buckets. Then they're fine for most of the day. Come evening you have to go out and mix the grain. Then put the grain into the bins. Also, they need more hay to be put into their hay boxes. Now for water again. In the winter the bins freeze up so you have to take each of the tubs out and break them every night. Then Cody needs 2 buckets of water. Chief and Katie have to have their tub taken out, busted and rinsed because Katie will crap in it every day. Then Chief will upset it because he can't get clean water and the thing gets even more filthy. So count on hauling 4 or five more buckets for them. This brings the total amount of bucket hauling to over 20! Really, the work is broken up so it might not seem so bad for one day, but day after day it is alot. Oh yeah, and when it's possible to bed them down Cody takes about 1/2 a bale of straw and Chief and Katie take 1.5 bales because she sleeps laying down. Again, her feet hurt too much to sleep standing. This gets pretty expensive when straw is 3.50 a bale and 2 bales only last one day. On top of this routine, Katie really needs to have her feet picked, be brushed down, and have her joints stretched everyday to save her from some of the pain. Dad and Mom just don't have the time to do this.



Now lets see what other horses take every day. Our boys are led to and from the pasture also- most of the time they will take themselves. It is too long of a walk for Katie to take herself and she just won't do it. Our boys also have a balanced, daily diet. I know what it costs to feed them each day and I know what each of them gets down to the type of feed, where it comes from, what it costs and what is in the hay. This is very basic information an owner should know about their horse to help assess any problems that come up. Also, horses need to be groomed. Clumps of dirt, manure and hay lead to infections. Plus, grooming helps an owner bond with the horse. Half of the problems that arise with riding a horse are because of the relationship between the horse and rider. Also, horses need exercise. They need to be taken out and let to run (if they don't just get to the pasture and lay down) or they can be hand walked or lunged. Our boys get out to run and they learn respect on the long line as well as in the round pen. Horses also need to be able to roll over because it helps them with their digestion- if they can't roll they get stiff. When we first got Cody and he was still foundered I lounged him 2 or 3 times a day for 10 or 15 minutes at a time. Anymore would have hurt him but just that little bit of exercise loosened him up, made him happy, and helped us to bond. Also, we would hand graze him. At the time it was because he was too fat but hand grazing builds relationships with the horse. This leads to the next point- horses need a leader. Oftentimes they get confused who the leader is and choose to be one themselves. Now, Katie knows her "horsey" leader is Cody but Cody's leader is a human. Now, Katie actually tends to like Dad more than anybody. She does not understand that Meghan is actually her owner. It's got to be confusing for her because the people she sees every day and who take care of her are not supposed to be her only leader???



The last thing horses take in general is money. Here is what it takes for my two:



Grain once a day:

Pellets: $14 for a 50 lb bag that last 2 weeks ($1.00/day)

Hay: 1 bale every day-sometimes more ($2.50/day)

Oats: 80 lb bag every 2 weeks (.83/day)

Corn: $9 bag every 2 weeks (.64/day)



That comes to $4.97 for to horses, $2.49 each. Now, Mom and Dad don't feed Corn but their bedding is $3.50 a bale and we don't have bedding. Also, they make their hay (a lot of time, diesel and hard work) but they also feed a lot more of it than we do. So we should still figure that a good cost for owning a horse is $2.50 per day just to care for them. It's expensive. But still, boarding stables and the "fancy" places have prices that would kill.



Now, I am not being mean. We have to understand this. All the is being felt is that Katie should have a place where she can be looked after by the one who loves her every day and that way she can get what she needs to atleast be more comfortable. It's such a shame what has happened to her because she was starting to look better so quickly after you got her. Then the issue with her ligament just sent everything backwards. Well, that and not having a decent farrier until Lloyd and now it's just too late to completely save her.



I'm writting this because I just want to get everything out and not let it get embellished or taken the wrong way. You know you are my best friend and I'd never want to make you angry with me. Let me know what's going on with you.



Oh, and the issue with the dogs. I don't think that this should be avoided either. Brownie is has always been protective. Wade and I were never able to ride together with any of the dogs (Our Sage, Brownie, Lilly or Suzy) because every female dog with property is going to be somewhat protective- just to different extents. Now that Brownie has Lakota the herd mentality can take over and they work together. Now, Lakota is an Australian Cattle Dog. If you google the breed you see that they are protective. To them, when Duke is there she is trespassing because it is their property, and, as best they know, Katie is their horse; so they are going to protect that from the other female dog. I am not saying this is right because, as a human, we say they are misbehaving. As a dog though, they believe they are protecting their families and their lives. It's not going to be "fixed" so we have to work around it. There are a couple things that can be done here. For one- call to let them know when you're coming over. Dad's cell is 227-5269. If you can't get a hold of anybody before you come check to see if the dogs are loose before you let Duke out of the truck! The dogs are not mean- they are dogs. You have to think like a dog.



Ok- I think that's it.


 
It sounds good to me. Does she come over and exercise the horse at all, or does she just avoid any responsibility? It sounds like she needs a lot of daily care just to be kept comfortable and in a humane fashion.

I also wonder at what point someone might blame your parents for the horse's condition. Just looking at that horse next to the others and not knowing the history or that they don't actually own her, someone might think the wrong thing. I wonder if you could anonymously contact whoever would be in charge of investigating animal abuse to find out if your parents might be held liable if someone were to report the unhealthy horse. Because if they could be held liable, you'd need to force something to happen to protect your parents. Even if that means convincing them to call and have the horse seized for it's own good.

It's awful that this is happening, especially since you are good friends. But it does sound like she's taking advantage of your parents and if the horse is in that bad of condition then she may be suffering. I know how much work needs to go into caring for a horse with feet/leg issues.
 
Mom and dad's horses are in excellent shape as are all the other animals. The thing is- our humane society is shut down right now and the other organization here would seize ALL the animals (we live on a farm)
 
I'm not sure why you are feeding pellets, oats and all that...... how much are you feeding them? (just curious it bears no real importance to her paying you) We feed one scoop of Nutrena pellets each day and about 5 flakes of hay per horse.... they are perfectly fine and healthy! They do graze in the summer also.

Corn only adds fat to their necks is what I've been told. So, I would maybe really look into what you are feeding - we did some study courses on that.

Now.... $100 even per month isn't enough! Honestly! I paid $175 per month for a stall that was in a CRAPPY barn, where my horse rarely got out and if he did I had to go do it!

They got crappy grass hay and sweet feed (only about 1 pound per day) and my horse was from that barn! I ended up moving him out and getting the vet to see him cause he had thrush and stomach ulcers!

HERE, a good barn and care is about $300 to $500 a month. Infact, I am going to send Kota to a guy to work him and it's $300 for his barn and he doesn't feed grain - he believes in good weather they only need really good hay and plenty of grass to graze on ...... and $150 for him to ride him each day ........so $450.

Horses are a lot of work. My horses are outside in a run-in stall (which is actually warmer sometimes than the indoor arena/indoor barn!) and we go feed them each day, buy our own grain now (cause we were going through A LOT of grain) and keep it in our own trailer.... etc. AT MY SISTER INLAW'S HOUSE! I even help with things like limestone for the barn flooring, sawdust I split with her and we have 2 horses to their 4!!! We do all the farrier calling for ours (I even switched to an old farrier I like better cause my horses hated the new one!) vet calls - she will call for emergencies, but I handle the other situations - and if we do a vet run, we let each other know so we can take all of them at once for shots and stuff like that..... we help each other when we can - but I also have cleaned her stalls, fed, taken her horses out, fed and cleaned the pigs she had...... she has our goat too - which loves her! LOL!

Anyhow, even with FAMILY we do a lot - my husband BUILT her barn. He's moved and rebuilt another building there and took down an old barn from a farm and moved and rebuilt it there..... we've lived here 15 years this summer and I think each year we've worked on something THERE for them. SO we keep our horses there for free, and my son works on hay for them to pay the cost (he worked 30 hours last time and that would be $300 cash in pay for hay workers) plus hubby and I worked and we took lunch and stuff!

So, if you need to tell her what it's like..... tell her my story. She's got it good.
 
$100 every few months is not enough.
$100 every month is ok, but she should also be coming out and seeing her horse.
How often does she? Sounds likes she really doesn't care for the poor thing. Maybe you could ask her to give the horse to you, and then you would be able to put her down?
 
The feed I gave was for our two boys- they're just yearlings and growing VERY quickly. The Enrich 32 is a high octane feed for the young ones but too much for older horses. Also, the corn is there (about 1/2 scoop a day) because they grow so rapidly and aren't getting grass in the winter that they have to have the extra fat or they start to get ribby. Other than that, they get the best hay we can find and lots of it.

Oh, but this horse does get corn too. Mom and Dad's horses can't have it (they're very easy keepers and FAT- all they get is hay and oats). But this horse is skin and bones- constantly. We worm her, have had her checked by the vet and there is apparently nothing wrong with her intestinal track but she still has to eat ALL the time to keep her weight. Even at that, we still see her ribs AND her backbone sticks out all over. I've also had her teeth checked and they don't need floated and are in good shape- they actually say she's only about 10 years but she looks about 30!

To get a decent boarding place here you're looking at atleast $300 a month. Oh- she's not paying $100 a month- it works out to about $1 a day!!
 
OK! I was wondering about them being too fat LOL! We have a young one and my niece's barrel horse in their barn that aren't easy to keep weight on. My boy was like that but I gave him supplements and he's excellent (too fat actually) now LOL! and my Pokie girl is a cow..... I call her Heffer all the time.

My sister inlaw gives the barrel horse beet pulp they wet down...... it put a LOT of weight on his ribs....... (I know this isn't the purpose of the thread but it's interesting to discuss that stuff too!)

There is no sense in your parents doing all that work and paying for stuff when she can't even pay rent!

Now, remember this much tho...... barn work is good for people.........so I wouldn't worry too much about them walking the horses out and stuff...... but can't you set up a hose so they don't have to bucket so much? I hate doing that! and it hurts your shoulders and elbows! I love barnwork tho - it's peaceful to be with the horses and all that! It keeps me sane mostly! BUT they should be getting paid for it let alone the feed/bedding/care of a lame horse!

ON a little side note...... has the vet checked her leg? We had a horse when I was young that had been injured when he hit a cement jump - in the cold months he could barely walk - he had to be kept wrapped with tape...... but then in the summer he was sound as could be.

What about bloodwork? could she be diabetic?

OOOO Have you rotated the wormers? We found that really helped with my boy, Kota. We use Ivermectin gold one time, then 3 mos later we use Safe Guard, then we use Strongid. I think you can actually do it every month for the first few times! She might have worms that are not reacting to the wormer?

I gotta tell you...... I know times are tough - we have times that we wonder how we'll get through, worry about vet appointments (we had a vet over last night for SIL's horse and my horse had a cut - I was so worried we'd need the vet to stitch it! and he just looked and said ..... naw just salve it - no charge for me! YAY!) but..... I pay for my horses. I would have a hard time paying rent right now, but I would find the money! or at least TALK to the people caring for them and pay for feed until I could pay rent........ SOMETHING! You don't do that to people - even friends!

You might say that if she can't afford it..... maybe she should think of having her put down and all cause someone could use that stall and your parents could use the rent.


 
I guess my father talked to her mother and things are getting straightened out- good.

Oh yeah, the other boys are rediculous- they fatten themselves on grass only. She could definately be diabetic. I had also been giving her beet pulp soaked overnight with the rest of the grain but this really gave her bad diarrea so we tried it dry and she'd put the weight on but didn't like to eat it. As for wormers, I think I've tried everything for her. I work for a tack store on the off days and the owner grew up with dad/life long friend so we've even ordered in different wormers for her but nothing seems to work

As for the barn work- that's just it. Dad is a full time diesel mechanic, raises over 6,000 pheasants, chukar and quail AND we have a dairy farm. There is just barn work out the bum... so if she could even come over and help him it'd be great.

Oh- and her legs. She is a severe case of laminitis. Actually- I was going to pay to have x rays taken to see if she was navicular until I found out what it would cost! The poor thing. We've had the best founder farriers around work with her and her coffin bone has just rotated almost to the point of puncture. The other thing is that the blood supply has been cut off for so long the hoof hardly grows so she's apt to always get some sort of abscess or infection if she isn't watched everyday.

I think the owner is finally going to take care of her & give her the love she needs. Thank goodness.... I'll see when I get home from PaSRBA how things go.


 
Oh wow! your dad is BUSY! My hubby is a heavy eqt. mechanic! Small world!

I'd love to work in a tack store! I'd be reading everything! LOL! You know all about the rotation wormer then. It's hard to know what people know with horses (and other animals) ..... I've met people who have NO CLUE with any of that. I was that way but I ask, and watch and I've learned SO much in the past few years. I can't wait - horse fair is coming up and I'll be going to the clinics there some. I think Stacy Westfall will be there too - Lexi is all excited about that! She thinks she's kinda snotty in a way but she LOVES watching her ride! and really has a lot of respect for her.

We have a mare, my fat Pokie girl, who has to have her hocks injected with acid/cortizone each spring. *sigh* She just gets so sore. I've also had farriers that completely messed up my horse...... live and learn, huh? But when they have issues like the coffin bone on her...... that's tough! Navicular - ugh! that is bad too! We had a horse in the barn for a while that had gotten staph in an abcess and they treated her for 9 mos..... it finally just ate away the muscles in her leg and she was looking better but when they unwrapped her leg at the vet check the last time...... it completely fell apart inside..... the bones were too eaten up and the muscles couldn't hold it. She was gorgeous - a dutch warmblood.

Kota has a "scar" in his back hoof where he had a puncture right at the coronet band..... it just missed it. He has a place that breaks and a line going through the hoof to the edge of his hoof..... straight up. Anyhow, when he did it - my father inlaw had him for awhile (our barn was full, he needed some time to be a horse, FIL is really good with horses - indian, natural training kinda stuff) and he thought we'd lose him. He said the only thing that saved him was that he knew to lay down and stay off of it..... vet agreed. I worried myself sick over that boy. Drove to the FIL's house every other day to take care of him....... that's a 40 min drive one way LOL!

Yakking like I have...... my point is that horses are wonderful..... we love them and enjoy them but people don't always realize the dedication needed to have them. It doesn't matter when you have 102° temp and vomiting..... if you are the only one who can get there to feed.... you do it. If they need their leg wrapped, you puke in a bucket while you wrap it..... LOL! Same with all animals, but there's a lot more animal to deal with (and poop, and feed, and water, etc.) on those big ones!

I hope this gal does her job and takes care of her horse!

I wonder if those new rubber horse shoes would help her leg? I'm not sure why they have them but I think the cushion is supposed to help things like that.
 
I was thinking that EZ boots might help her now that I'm gone but they're so expensive I'm sure not buying them for her.

Oh, 2 days after we got our first boy (he was 5 months) he got a puncture wound on his band too- boy, was that a mess. Atleast he got used to us handling his feet when he was a baby!!! Lol!!


 
Ok- they've decided they are going to have the poor thing euthanized. She's so bad her hind hocks are actually on the ground when she walks. I feel so bad for the horse and the owner... but I can't stand to see her in pain.
 
Oh my gosh! How terrible! That poor thing!

It breaks my heart to see animals hurt at all but there is something about a severely lame horse that just rips at me! I guess because they are so beautiful when they move!

I'm sorry for everyone but I do think it's for the best.

Oh, you had to deal with a punctured coronet too, huh? Fun.......... NOT! Cleaning, medicating, wrapping....... and Dakota was older and had one hoof he hates being messed with......... guess which one. :grumpy:
 
DyemondRabbitry wrote:
Ok- they've decided they are going to have the poor thing euthanized. She's so bad her hind hocks are actually on the ground when she walks. I feel so bad for the horse and the owner... but I can't stand to see her in pain.
Oh, that poor thing... I'm glad that she won't be suffering any more, even though it's always hard to have to make that decision. Other than the sad parts, this has been a great thread! I have learned quitea bit about horse care reading it. I don't have a horse, but I really really really want one, that's been a dream of mine ever since I was a little kid.
 
Bo B Bunny wrote:
Oh, you had to deal with a punctured coronet too, huh? Fun.......... NOT! Cleaning, medicating, wrapping....... and Dakota was older and had one hoof he hates being messed with......... guess which one. :grumpy:
Yup- on my baby! Needless to say- he wasn't very fond of having his feet touched either but he's really good about it now! Oh, and he really hated standing in the bucket to soak (the only way I could get it clean!!) Poor fella, he learned all about the vet, the trailer, shots and medicine within 2 weeks of being with us and shortly after leaving momma! Now he's convinced that he's a person... biggest baby ever.
 
LOL! Our neighbors have a gelding like that. His mom got sick when he was born and they had to bottle feed him in February or March I think! - he was in a playpen in their house for his first month or two..... LOL! Can you imagine? He's a big goof now! He thinks he's supposed to go into the house - at 17 hands!!!!!!! of course they don't let him. LOL!

We just went to the barn - our horses had to be brought into the indoor arena..... the rain is flooding everything!!! I hope you guys aren't getting this stuff!
 
Oh no! It's pretty decent here... about 50 and the sun is shining!! Ours would just make a mess out of their pasture right now so they're in. Last year we plowed it up and planted it with a cover crop so now we'll need to till that under and get it seeded for pasture this year. Hopefully it's not too messy!! The ground was pretty poor before so we've been doing all we can to make it better.

It's so funny how they all have personalities, isn't it??
 
That's what I say! They're all different! My Sister Inlaw's horse is so funny that we say she's like Lucille Ball!

Kota was in that nasty (dark)barn/ungelded/with a bunch of mares and just not really paid attention to.... the horses there are just that...... there..... no one does anything with them other than what they have to. Now, he's like a puppy. He wants to follow us, and please us. Of course he's been getting a bit of attitude lately but he always ends up being Mr. Sweetie in the spring.

People actually can't believe that my horses give us hugs.... especially him. He's almost knocked me over coming up too fast and putting his head over my shoulder and his chest against me.

He fell asleep with his head on a friend of ours. She giggled her butt off cause it was so heavy and how relaxed he was... most of the horses we know aren't that easy going with 4 people in their stall and having a tummyache...... the mom of the girl was doing some pressure point therapy on him for the tummyache and he went to sleep it helped so much!

What kinda horses do you all have? We have quarter horses but Lexi has ridden Palominos and POA's and paints.
 
Both of ours are Quarter Horses. Mom's horse (stole from me) is a Morgan and Dad's baby is an Appy/Paint- yes, wierd combo- he wasa friend's mistake but he's a pretty good boy.
 
Lol! Yup! Well, I'm not sure how it happened really.... hmm... I think he's the most spoiled horse there is.. but he has his own story.

I got him as an 8 year old registered Morgan who had foundered severely. He was given to me by the owner, who was 72, and couldn't take care of him anymore. I had a great farrier and spent a lot of time with him so now he's just sound as a rock. Anyhow- he was a stud, and used, until he was 5, then gelded, green broke, and given to me. Lol! This was fun! Good thing I have a hard head. He was pretty hard to handle but that's also how I met my hubby. He was training horses for a neighbor of ours and riding on our farm. One time, his horse was acting up (mare) and I couldn't figure out what was going on with mine because he was being dumb and I couldn't see the other horse... well, we figured it out. Wade helped me a lot with Cody and he's so much better now.... so much that Mom took him!
 

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