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Hello, I am Anna and I live in the north of England. Tomorrow I am getting a bunny. He is a blue netherland male aged 1 year. I am getting him from a lady who has had a another baby and so she wants him to get plenty of attention. He comes with a two tier indoor cage and all of his bedding and toys. So my questions are...
1. I know bunnies must have timothy hay, I also know how it makes me sneeze and the mess it makes. Has anyone used those hay cubes/ hay cakes where its all compacted? Would these be suitable do you think?
2. I use fleece cage liners for my rats, do you think this would work for my bunny?
3. I want to ensure his transition is as stress free as possible but I also want to ensure that he gets plenty of attention. Do you think putting his cage in the living room is ok?
4. I dont know if he is litter trained, with him being over 1 is it possible to train him still?
5. I am hoping that he will spend most of his time out of the cage and be happy and comfortable with me. Do you think this can easily be achieved?
Gosh, so many questions, i think its because I have previously had bad experiences with a rabbit that was not very sociable.
Thanks for reading this post.
I have attached a pic of him and his cage.

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Hello! I'm also from N. England (Sheffield!) :D
What a cutie he is! Has he been fixed?
I don't have much experience with the hay cubes, but I assume if they're just compacted hay then they can't be much different!
As far as the liners go I would wait until you know his litter habits before you put those in, so you know which corner to put his litter in before he goes and pees all over the fleece! My bunnies love blankets so a fleece cage lining would have the same effect :)
I'm sure you'll still be able to litter train him. If he's fixed then he will be less likely to mark his territory with poop, but rabbits generally go in the same place. Also, if he isn't fixed he might like to spray! Once you've found out his toilet corner, putting a little hay in the litter tray encourages bunnies to go there. They like to poop and eat at the same time, so you can put a hay wrack above the litter tray so he poops in the right place :)
When introducing things to rabbits you should always be gradual, giving the rabbit chance to adjust (this goes with food too! A little of old and new mixed gradually). Maybe when you bring him home, keep him in his cage and give him the night to get used to things. Then the next day introduce yourself, food is always a good enticer! Spending quality time like this, gradually, will bond you and your rabbit together and you'll be cuddling in no time!
Please take into account that rabbits take time to get used to you and for you to earn their trust, it's a process that takes time. It could take up to a month or more depending on how timid your little guy is!
Keep us updated with how it goes! Good luck! :)

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Also! Because he's over 1 year he's past the teenage years! Lucky you! The chances of humping and spraying are much slimmer :)
 
Ah thank you for the super reply. Yes he has been fixed so that's really good and he has been vaccinated.I am so excited to get him! I wonder if I should change his name. He is called Bugsy. So should I leave off the fresh Veggies whilst he settles. He comes with change over food so dependent on what sort of food it is I can keep him on it or gradually swap it. He is soooo cute c
 
There's lots of people who don't feed hay at all. I'm not really convinced that they MUST have it, but they definitely like it. However, I think that the hay cube will still make a mess once they've torn into it really good.

Yes fleece liners will work.

My technique when I get a new rabbit is not to bother it for three days. I just let it sit in its cage. Unless you have frat parties in your living room all the time, that's probably fine. Make sure he has a box or something to hide in and don't open his cage at first except to give him food and water. He may be ready sooner or later than 3 days, you can usually kind of tell. If he runs right to you when you open the cage up to give him food, go ahead and give him a little pet, but I'd give him at least a couple of days to settle in before you take him out and handle him.

I think litter training is kind of a misnomer. Other people might have better experiences with litter training their buns--mine always just kind of want to go in the one corner, except that one time I had a rabbit who didn't, and any attempts by me to "train him" completely failed. You could always invest in a wire-bottomed cage as long as he has a spot to get off the wire if litter training is just not working

Eventually, he will be comfortable with you. My first rabbit took a few months to really be comfortable with me. Every rabbit I've had since him took like a week maybe lol. No matter how timid he starts out, I am sure he'll come to love you eventually.
 
imho, change his name and the first day just give him the food he's used to, then start adding in veggies slowly
 
If the Timothy hay bothers you, there are other hays that are good for rabbits that you could try like orchard grass and oat hay.

Fleece can work with rabbits, but I agree with Selbert that you should do the litter training first and then try some fleece to see if your bunny likes it and will not pee on it. They are usually fine just sitting on the cage floor without a blanket though.

I think putting the cage in the living room will be a good way for him to get lots of attention. You might want to just leave him alone for the first couple of days so he can get acclimated to his new home. Then, start slowly with giving him some time out of the cage in an exercise pen. If you give him too much freedom at once it could affect the litter training so gradually increase his free-roam space as he successfully uses his litter box. When you first interact with him, get down on the floor and let him sniff you before you try petting him.
 
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I noticed in the picture he has hay all over his cage floor. For litter training, you'll want to put his hay in a rack above the litter box. Rabbits will tend to poop while they eat hay so setting it up that way will encourage litter training. You don't need anything on the cage floor if you are litter training. Just put any stray poops in the box to help him learn and soak up any pee with a paper towel and put it in there too.
 
You guys have been so helpful thank u! This is so kind of you. I am wondering if a dog crate might be a nicer cage for him than the one he has. Any thoughts on that? X
 
I used an extra large dog crate for my rabbits while my husband was building them a hutch. I liked how big it was, but it only had one door on the end so it was hard to reach into the back of it to clean up or pick up my rabbit. It was nice and tall, which would be good for putting in a shelf. If you can find one with a side door or two doors, it might work out for you.
 
Thanks everyone. I haven't got him yet so those were the pics on the advert. Good advice about the hay thank you. I don't know if I like the cage as although its two their I don't know if there is enough floor space. It would be better if the cage floors were side by side instead of on top of eachother.perhaps i could convert it somehow. X x x
 
I've not heard of orchard grass I will Google it x
 
Hi & welcome!
I think if it were me, I would at least initially keep him in the cage he is already used to & purchase an xpen for more floor space. This is the xpen I purchased: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000H8YTJI/?tag=skimlinks_replacement-20 Xpens at least here in the US are a very inexpensive cage alternatives for rabbits plus it gives flexibility.

I think with the hay it would be best to find Orchard grass or other horse hay suitable for your new bunny. They may help with your allergies. I also believe that hay is preferable over the hay cubes, in part due to the chewing action for dental help as well as digestive health with rabbits. Hopefully some of our more experienced members will be able to address the plain cut hay versus cubed hay for rabbit health with teeth & digestion.
 
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Hi! Congrats on your new bun. I am a new bunny mom myself. Stache refuses to eat loose hay so I do use the compressed hay cubes. They work, but they can be messy when they fall apart. His cage is a medium sized dog crate and it works well. Good luck. :)
 
If you're up for a different cage then I would highly recommend getting this from amazon:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0064OEJGM/?tag=skimlinks_replacement-20

I got one cheaper too! Then get some zip locks and a wire cutter (to take off the hinges) and you can make it whatever size, shape you like! You can also make different level, which I think are great because bunnies love levels! You can buy corner levels on amazon also:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000TAN2XS/?tag=skimlinks_replacement-20

That's what I've done :)

Also on the hay front, rabbits need hay for their teeth so maybe don't eliminate hay altogether. Or if you do, replace it with something that can keep their teeth in shape. Otherwise they can grow out of line and curl, preventing your little guy from be able to eat. This can sometimes be genetic though, so it's best to have a look every now and then :) Don't worry if they do, your vet can clip them for you!

I bet you're super excited to pick him up! I am to see the pictures hehe :)

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Any horse-quality grass hay is acceptable for bunns. Hay cubes should not be used as a substitute for regular hay except as a last resort (like in Aubrisita's case, where her bunny just won't eat hay any other way). The hay in them is chopped up, meaning the fibers are shorter - as a result, cubed hay doesn't wear teeth down as well and may be slightly less effective at keeping their digestion running smoothly. They really need the long fibers in regular hay.

To start with, I suggest looking around for feed stores in your area - check their websites or call to find out what types of grass hay they sell by the bale to figure out which one(s) offer the most types of hay (I know here, some places only have one kind of grass hay, others may have 3-4+). GRASS hay is important - legume hays like alfalfa (aka lucerne) and clover have too much protein, calcium and calories for adult bunnies.

I suggest feed stores first because baled hay from the feed store is by FAR the most economical way to feed a bunny! Here's a blurb I wrote on hay that I have saved so I can copy/paste it easily :p
Buying hay at the pet store is the biggest rip-off EVER. For one medium-sized bunny, a year's supply of hay from the pet store is around $300. A year's supply of hay for the same bunny if the hay is purchased by the bale from a feed store is around $12. Yeah. Over a 10-year lifetime (which is about average for a bunny), you'll save damn near $3000 by buying hay by the bale.

A bale can be stored for a year or more as long as it's kept clean, dry and insect free. I bought two half-bale bags from http://www.tackwholesale.com/bale-bags-c-11.html (I went with that instead of a full-bale bag because the half-bale bags are easier to move around and can be stacked to take up less space). Alternatively, you can use a rubbermaid type storage bin or even unscented large plastic trash bags. If you bring bags/containers to the feed store, they'll typically split up the bale and package it for you free of charge.

While you're at the feed store, I recommend grabbing a bag or two of wood pellets (they're usually kiln-dried pine) - they come in 40 lb bags and typically cost around $5-8. If you live in an area that actually has winters, an alternative is to buy wood stove pellets from a hardware store (same size bag/same price range) as long as they don't say that they have an accelerant added to them. Wood pellets are the cheapest option as far as buying litter box litter and tend to do a great job at odor control.
Anyway, visit feed stores that have different types of grass hay - see if you can find one that you're not allergic to. If you strike out, also ask if they sell "pet" hays (or just check their small animal section). These hays are sold in small bags and have a brand name on them - you can often find non-timothy hays that aren't commonly sold by the bale. Check these out and if you find one that doesn't set off your allergies the way timothy does, ask the store if they're able to obtain it in a larger quantity (for example, a feed store I like in San Antonio sells Oxbow hays in 5 lb bags but can order 27 lb bags of the same stuff from Oxbow to be delivered to the store). The larger bags aren't a great deal either, but are better than the 5 lb bags. Also check for online retailers that sell that type of hay as, even after shipping costs, their hay might be cheaper than the "pet" hays (like Kaytee and Oxbow brands in the US). There are tons of different hays to choose from if you're able and willing to order online, but of course you don't want to buy a huge box of something only to be allergic to it once it's delivered.

Another thing to consider with "hay allergies" is that your problem might not be the hay itself - it could be the dust in the hay that's the major irritant. It would be very easy to ghetto-rig some type of sifter that would make it easy to shake dust and tiny particles out of hay. Something as basic as a large piece of chicken wire or hardware cloth (mesh found with the chicken wire in many hardware stores) could do the trick. Obviously, sifting it yourself would set off your allergies, but I'm guessing from your avatar that you're married so you'd simply have to talk your husband into sifting the hay for you a little at a time (outside, of course). This will get rid of the vast majority of the hay dust.

As a note, if you end up with a "cereal" type grass hay (oat, wheat, rye, etc.) then the seed heads will need to be pulled out of it before you give it to the bunny as the oats or w/e have a lot of extra carbs and calories that are bad for bunnies.

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As for general diet info, here's a great site on picking a pellet brand: http://www.therabbithouse.com/diet/rabbit-food-comparison.asp
The highlighted brands are the ones that are "ideal" for every category - there aren't many to choose from. Sherwood Forest M/S is an excellent food (my pellet of choice), but last I checked it's only sold in the US. The other "ideal" options are Burgess Excel, Supreme Science Selective and Supreme Fibrafirst. Burgess and Supreme foods are both sold in the UK and either would be a good choice. As you seem to already know, you'd want to make a gradual transition from the food he comes with to the food you pick.

Rabbits also need a lot of leafy green veggies and can have a small amount of non-leafy veggies and/or fruit each day as a treat. If you feed dried fruit (my bunnies FIEND for cherry-infused craisins), keep in mind that dried fruit is more concentrated and you should feed less than the maximum amount allowed for his weight.

For feeding guidelines and veggie info, check out these sites:
http://www.rabbit.org/faq/sections/diet.html#babies
http://www.rabbit.org/care/veggies.html
http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/Food/Food_main.htm
(Also, it's a good idea to skim http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruciferous_vegetables - bunnies have trouble getting rid of gas, so all cruciferous veggies should be fed sparingly)

If you don't know his history with veggies (how much of what he's used to getting, if he's been getting veggies at all) then you should start from scratch to be safe. Introduce one veggie at a time, starting with a pretty small quantity and increasing it a bit each day as long as he tolerates it well. Rabbit poop should be hard, dry balls of fairly uniform shape and size - monitor his poop for changes, which may indicate that he's not tolerating a veggie well. Here's a good site on poop (get used to hearing weird phrases like that - once you've had a rabbit for a while, they start to sound normal, lol): http://imgur.com/a/5N4lD

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I don't recall seeing an answer regarding whether or not he's neutered... spaying female rabbits is incredibly important for medical reasons, but the same isn't true of males. Neutering males is generally done for behavioral reasons and/or to make it possible to safely bond the male to another bunny. Since you're only getting one bunny, neutering is basically a personal decision - can you afford it, and can you stand the behavior and smell of an unneutered buck? Some intact males aren't bad at all, but others can spray (and rabbits can spray urine six feet up in the air! Plus, some like to deliberately aim for faces), hump everything in sight, etc. Neutering also generally improves litter box habits and reduces the desire to pee/poop mark territory.

As for litter box training, it's possible with a bunny of any age, though they're more likely to slip up from time to time if they're not neutered. Most people consider a rabbit fully litter box trained when they do all their peeing and most of their pooping in the box - rabbits produce 200-300 poops a day, so it's really not practical for them to get them ALL in their litter box.

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Fleece...
It IS safe for rabbits (in fact, it's the only safe fabric because the fibers are so short it won't cause an obstruction if they chew on it and ingest some), but some will dig it up, pee it up and generally wreck it. My girls are a perfect example of fleece-destroyers. You definitely want to feel out his litter box habits before you even consider it.

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Free-ranging...
Absolutely do NOT just open up your home to him! Keep him in his cage - and only his cage - for at least the first three days or so. No time out of the cage, no running around, nothing. This is crucial, as it establishes his cage as HIS territory and lets him become comfortable with his new surroundings.

Once he's settled in, increase the amount of space he's allowed to roam in very gradually. Using fencing made of NIC grids or an x-pen or creating some other barricade is recommended so that you can allow him in just part of a room at a time. Letting him explore around 20-30 square feet of "new" space every day or two would be a good pace. If you give him too much freedom too fast, he'll go absolutely NUTS trying to pee/poop mark everything. Keep adding a little bit more space until he's free to wander a whole room, then a couple rooms and eventually your entire home (aside from any areas you want to keep off limits, of course).

BUNNYPROOF. Bunnies are the naughtiest of the naughties in our house (and in most houses) - ours are less trustworthy than the cats and capable of wreaking far more havoc than our sugar gliders. Mine are SO naughty, they live in a huge pen with a NIC condo because they can't be trusted to free-range. They bullied our cats, ate cat food, peed on all the cats' things, you name it. Many bunns aren't nearly so bad, though, and are worthy of the privilege of freedom.

Great general information.
While this page is focused on large breed bunnies, some of the bunny-proofing tips can still be used for smaller breeds.
Also, we currently have a good conversation going about cord protection going on in this thread.

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Getting a bigger cage...

I'm of the belief that ALL bunnies should have a cage (or cage-area made of x-pens), no matter what. They need a "home base" for their food, water, hay, primary litter box, etc. Cages can also be a safety issue - in the event of an emergency (house fire, for example) it's really good to know where your bunny is likely to retreat to so that you can find them easily. Also, there may be times when even a free range bunny needs to be locked up briefly (like if something's going on where the front door is open for a bit).

If your intention is to free-range him, you can build him a bigger home if you'd like (to offer him high levels, for example - bunnies love to be up high; they choose high ground to graze on in the wild so they have a better view of approaching predators)... however, it's honestly not necessary. Even a dinky store-bought cage like he seems to be coming with is enough to provide him with an area that's specifically his - he doesn't need a big cage if he's nearly always got the option to leave it.

If you think you might want to build a bigger cage...

I'm a HUGE fan of NIC condos and think they're the ideal cage, as they don't have to take up that much floor space and can provide lots of levels. My girls like the top floor, which is about shoulder-high for us humans. NIC condos can be used in combination with x-pens or alone.
http://breyfamily.net/bunnycage.html
http://www.guineapigcages.com/cubes.htm (shows how to do coroplast floors if you'd rather use that than plywood)
http://rabbitcondo.com/lara-and-harrels-deluxe-wide-rabbit-condo
Finding the grids in the UK - http://www.therabbithouse.com/indoor/rabbit-cages-cubes.asp

Some people use dog crates or XL dog kennels. Personally, I prefer NIC because you can customize it more, but for some folks the dog crate is more practical (or they may have a spare one sitting around already). Also, just an x-pen can be used as a cage (or it could be used around his current cage).

This thread has pictures of cages that our members have made (all different styles, sizes, shapes and designs).
 
Hi, well thanks for all your help. I have refurbished the cage with lots of nice things and I bought a friend for bugsy.. My research lead me to realise buns need friends of the rabbit sort. I went to pets at home and found this adorable boy. As my boy is neutered and the new one will be it should be fine. Intros have gone well with the exception of bugsy jumping bobby. So I am wondering why he would hump when he has been fixed and why hump the new one who is a boy..... Any clues? Ps I have to say I have never come across a calmer or friendlier bun than the new pets at home one. He has lay asleep on me for ages. Bugsy isn't as affectionate but is very brave and doesn't hide from me. Also I guess bobby is a mixed breed. I attach some photos for you.

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