Genetics Question :D

[kirstin]

So I have two Hollands that I bredabout a week ago-- Abeautiful Blue-Eyed Whitebuck and a sweet Black Tort. Fuzzy doe (this will be her second litter... her last one was not so successful :/, which is typical for first time mommys).

Anyhow, I was wondering what color the babies would possibly be...? I know they will all be Vienna Carriers, and some Vienna Marked, but will they all be VC or VM torts? Or could they be a different color...?Thanks for reading. Any input is much appreciated! :biggrin:

 

[OakRidgeRabbits]

Yep, most likely torts.

 

[kirstin]

So 100% all torts...?

 

[Shaded Night Rabbitry]

Actually no...
from what I know, agoutis are the most popular thing to mask behind BEW, since you don't run the risk of the ruby glow...

So I would personally say anything like chestnut, black otter, black, with possible orange, tort marten (fox?), and torts.

With dilutes, and chocolates possible but unlikely. =/ Unfortunately, you just won't know until you have the babies!

 

[kirstin]

Thank you that helps a lot. ^^

 

[TinysMom]

It will depend upon what is behind the blue eyed white. Do you have the pedigrees? If so....if you share - maybe we can help.

 

[OakRidgeRabbits]

Shaded Night Rabbitry wrote:

Actually no...
from what I know, agoutis are the most popular thing to mask behind BEW, since you don't run the risk of the ruby glow...

Nearly anything can be masked by BEW. I've never heard that about agoutis...agoutis are the color group that would be most likely to cast a ruby glow though so I'm not sure why that would be preferred. I know many people who say they will not breed BEW to REW for fear of "purple" eyes, so I would assume the red cast of agouti would not be wanted in the BEWs either. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding your thoughts though!

Kirstin- What are the BEW's parents? If you post those, I can tell you exactly what you can expect. With the original information given, tort VMs would be most likely but I can't give you a 100% guarantee without knowing what colors are directly behind the BEW. With the original info given, agouti would not be likely. But it is a possibility based on what is behind the BEW.

 

[kirstin]

Blizzard (the BEW)'s parents where BEW and Orange VM.

The Orange VM's parents were Orange and BEW.

And then the first BEW's parents were Opal VC and BEW.

Kaira (the back tort.)'s parents were both black torts.

Hope that helps. ^^

 

[OakRidgeRabbits]

You'll most likely be looking at orange and tort VMs, with the possibility of chestnuts and the dilutes of all those colors.

 

[Shaded Night Rabbitry]

OakRidgeRabbits wrote:

Shaded Night Rabbitry wrote:

Actually no...
from what I know, agoutis are the most popular thing to mask behind BEW, since you don't run the risk of the ruby glow...

Nearly anything can be masked by BEW. I've never heard that about agoutis...agoutis are the color group that would be most likely to cast a ruby glow though so I'm not sure why that would be preferred. I know many people who say they will not breed BEW to REW for fear of "purple" eyes, so I would assume the red cast of agouti would not be wanted in the BEWs either. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding your thoughts though!

Kirstin- What are the BEW's parents? If you post those, I can tell you exactly what you can expect. With the original information given, tort VMs would be most likely but I can't give you a 100% guarantee without knowing what colors are directly behind the BEW. With the original info given, agouti would not be likely. But it is a possibility based on what is behind the BEW.

I have never seen an Agouti with a ruby cast? ; You'd think, being the most dominate and ruby eyes being two of the least dominate genes, that they'd be safe. Plus I'm pretty sure ruby eyes are tied into the lower levels of the C gene. With agouti, otter, and self all being C... You'd figure they'd all have pure brown eyes.

Just about any dwarf BEW site, you'll see all the VMs are either black or chestnut. The only VMs I see here are chestnut. Never even opal, lynx, or chin. I have seen one black...

However on the websites, venturing more towards the east and south east, I'm seeing more blacks. West coast I see more agoutis.


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missed a post. oops. XD

 

[Shaded Night Rabbitry]

Your bew is likely (but not promised)
A- B- C- D- Ee

The tort is at least
aa B- C- D- ee

So yup. Expect chestnuts, oranges, blacks, and torts. Possible dilute (still unlikely). Shouldn't see any chocolate.

 

[OakRidgeRabbits]

Shaded Night Rabbitry wrote:

OakRidgeRabbits wrote:

Shaded Night Rabbitry wrote:

Actually no...
from what I know, agoutis are the most popular thing to mask behind BEW, since you don't run the risk of the ruby glow...

Nearly anything can be masked by BEW. I've never heard that about agoutis...agoutis are the color group that would be most likely to cast a ruby glow though so I'm not sure why that would be preferred. I know many people who say they will not breed BEW to REW for fear of "purple" eyes, so I would assume the red cast of agouti would not be wanted in the BEWs either. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding your thoughts though!

Kirstin- What are the BEW's parents? If you post those, I can tell you exactly what you can expect. With the original information given, tort VMs would be most likely but I can't give you a 100% guarantee without knowing what colors are directly behind the BEW. With the original info given, agouti would not be likely. But it is a possibility based on what is behind the BEW.

I have never seen an Agouti with a ruby cast? ; You'd think, being the most dominate and ruby eyes being two of the least dominate genes, that they'd be safe. Plus I'm pretty sure ruby eyes are tied into the lower levels of the C gene. With agouti, otter, and self all being C... You'd figure they'd all have pure brown eyes.

Just about any dwarf BEW site, you'll see all the VMs are either black or chestnut. The only VMs I see here are chestnut. Never even opal, lynx, or chin. I have seen one black...

However on the websites, venturing more towards the east and south east, I'm seeing more blacks. West coast I see more agoutis.


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missed a post. oops. XD

Dude, I just realized I was going on and on about shadeds actually. What was I thinking when I wrote agouti?? LOL! I'm sorry, I just re-read my response right now and was like :?. I think my mind switched two color groups for a moment. I'll go back into hiding now.

 

[kirstin]

Haha I wish I was as smart with genetics as you guys.

Thanks for the help. I'm excited! I'll post the baby pics when they're born and you all can help me determine which color each kit is.

 

[TCRabbitry]

some agouti's have a ruby cast to their eyes... the colors that you can only play with outside of HL's and AFL's. Shagouti's. Like Sable and Smoke Pearl Chins. They have a beautiful eye color. It's actually one of my favorite colors.

 

[Shaded Night Rabbitry]

Hey now, shagoutis don't count. XD They're a shaded-agouti group of their own, I now declare.

Nah. idk if they're pretty. I've never seen one. o.o; I think the smoke would be pretty, but I don't think the sable would.

 

[TCRabbitry]

This is TCR Sue, she is a broken sable chin

This is a comparison of a black chin and a sable chin. I personally really like the sable chins... I like sable steels too....

This is a comparison of various steels. The first two pictures are of a Black Gold Tipped Steel, a Chocolate Silver Tipped Steel, and a Black Silver Tipped Steel. The last two are a Black Silver Tipped Steel, a Chocolate silver Tipped Steel, a Sable Silver Tipped Steel, and a Black Gold Tipped Steel

These last pictures are a comparison of a Chestnut and a Black Gold Tipped Steel, and a Chinchilla to a Black Silver Tipped Steel.

 

[kirstin]

cute buns.

 

[TCRabbitry]

Thanks.