First Brokens!

[Shaded Night Rabbitry]

Just had 3 kits born just minutes ago. (Okay, closer to 45 minutes ago...)

The breeding was a sable point x broken black otter.

One black hippo. (Didn't see any kind of triangle or non-black belly)

One black baby. He's like, a mile long. o.o; Is length set when their born? I know you can get hints as to bone at birth, but I've never had a kit this long. ; Which is weird, since both parents are relatively short. (No where near where I'd like them to be, but certainly no where near this. Reminded me of a Himalayan. XD)

And one broken baby. I can't tell if it's an otter or black yet. I'll have to wait until it grows a little and I can see the ear color. XD It's hecka cute. Light in markings, but I'm hoping it hits the 10%? It has eye circles, both sides of the butterfly, both ears, lots of dots of color on the head, and a stripe, similar to mom, down the back. Mom probably has about 7% color. >.>; But she has no nose marking, which was my big concern with these babies.


I think I might foster these two off, give momma a week's break, and rebreed her to a Chin. (Whoohoo! New color project. Chinchillas, with a side of chestnut and silver marten!) Then I'd have two batches of chin babies cooking. (Well, chin and tan patterns, since everyone either is or carries for it.)


I'm SO pumped. I'll take pics tomorrow, once I've let momma chill out a little, and I can have access to a camera. (Well, camera phone, but it works better in the light anyway.)

8D Eee!


Oooh. I can do pics of the parents, however. 8D
GC Lots-A-Hop's Kiddo
(No, he cannot take good pictures for me. Some day I'll spend a few hours fighting him to get a nice photo, rather than the 30 minutes it took to get this one. XD)

Hidden Jule's Dipp, broken black otter
This is her 3 month photo. I believe she's about 5 1/2 months right now.

I am in loooove with the little broken baby. I'd love for it to be a broken black doe that I could infuse back into my sable points. (Although, knowing my luck I'd get all broken seals. >.>

OH! Question for Pam:
Seals don't really pass for blacks... But can they pass as broken blacks on the table? It seems like it'd be super duper hard to really tell the difference.
Same with registration. How many registrars are well versed enough with genetics to know that a shaded x shaded cannot produce blacks? It'd just be interesting to see. XD

 

[lelanatty]

EEEE! Can't wait to see pics of the babies!

Congrats! :biggrin:

 

[Liddellsbunbuns]

Yes pictures please

 

[Nancy McClelland]

definitely pictures.

 

[Shaded Night Rabbitry]

All right, all right. X3

I did decide. Babies get fostered off tomorrow morning, if L69 has her babies, and has MF's I can replace them with. (Otherwise, I don't want to put 9 babies on one doe. that's mean.)

X3 Now bear with me. I have to show off all the new cages.
We now have 17 official holes, with petsmart cages as back ups. (Although I'm not suppose to use those other than weaning. >.>;

It looks so awesome.


Momma, thinking I'm going to kill her. =/

Little black baby!

Black stripe down back:

Face shot #1

Face shot #2

Yaay!

 

[lelanatty]

YAY! Nice babies, and you are right, your shed looks completely awesome!!

 

[Jaded]

Broken babys are extremly cute when they get to the cute stage! your shed looks great! much more tidier than mine.

 

[Liddellsbunbuns]

Aww so very cute.

 

[Whiskerz]

oh wow, how adorable is that! And momma bunny is REALLLLLY pretty!!!!

Broken netherlands are just :faint:

 

[leo9lionheads]

I think you have a broken black otter, the inside of the ears are lighter... Nice shed, I wish mine stayed that neat.

Edit: the long body could of been from mom struggling to get the baby out, it should be normal length in a couple days, I have had this from a first time mom and a doe who was to small for the buck. My babies where sable points so they also had bruising on the face/head.

 

[Shaded Night Rabbitry]

XD Black otter is so not what I needed from the cross, although I guess it'd be perfect to make shaded martens... LOL.

Bad news, though. I'm thinking it's a max factor that's showing very little signs. I guess I'll know for sure when the fur comes in, but at this time it's eyes are open just the tiniest pin prick. I would assume it's from being a max, although it could honestly go either way. I'll watch the eyes for the first few weeks. If anything goes wrong, I'll just put it down.

Thats sucky. X3 But I also bred the mom yesterday, to a Chin boy... Hopefully this next litter will be a little easier. The black appears to be doing just fine.

My other litter was born yesterday. 6 in the box. 4 live max factors. Dx All with the horrible back legs, and ALL with open eyes. I forgot how utterly creepy they are. T.T; I hate it. They make me want to puke. Literally. Because I get so scared. o.o; How mature of me.

But I took care of the fourand gave L69 the two. X3 So now we have a clean sable point, a smutty sable point, a black, and a broken black (otter). Ah, diverse litters. (TBH, I would have rathered all 6 sable points live so I had something to sell. Huge waiting list for sable point does. Dx)

 

[lelanatty]

Why don't you just cull for max factor? It's not like it's something that is not possible to stop, like peanuts. We can't help with peanuts, but we can stop MF's from spreading further into the gene pool.

 

[Shaded Night Rabbitry]

lelanatty wrote:

Why don't you just cull for max factor? It's not like it's something that is not possible to stop, like peanuts. We can't help with peanuts, but we can stop MF's from spreading further into the gene pool.

because I love the look of the carriers.

It's hippo that I need to start culling for, but at the same time... I would rather deal with losing one in a litter to it, and keep some of the dams that carry it. Not to mention, my herd bucks all carry for the majority of issues, so unless I cut the entire program, and start looking for rabbits that don't carry for MF/Hippo (which is probably rare), eh.

I'll just deal with it.

My numbers aren't usually this bad. In a litter of 6 I usually get one or two. I know who carries what (Lots-A-Hop's rabbits carry max factors. Never have gotten a hippo from any of my LAH does. I know my buck from them DOES carry for both. Dazed Man carries for MF. Kenai, I don't remember. I don't know if Muff carries anything. 4/4 made it. Dipp carries for MF and Hippo. Don't know about the new chins.)


Have you seen the difference between a MF carrier and a non carrier?

 

[lelanatty]

Shaded Night Rabbitry wrote:

because I love the look of the carriers.

It's hippo that I need to start culling for, but at the same time... I would rather deal with losing one in a litter to it, and keep some of the dams that carry it. Not to mention, my herd bucks all carry for the majority of issues, so unless I cut the entire program, and start looking for rabbits that don't carry for MF/Hippo (which is probably rare), eh.

I'll just deal with it.

My numbers aren't usually this bad. In a litter of 6 I usually get one or two. I know who carries what (Lots-A-Hop's rabbits carry max factors. Never have gotten a hippo from any of my LAH does. I know my buck from them DOES carry for both. Dazed Man carries for MF. Kenai, I don't remember. I don't know if Muff carries anything. 4/4 made it. Dipp carries for MF and Hippo. Don't know about the new chins.)


Have you seen the difference between a MF carrier and a non carrier?

Well, I guess I know who not to buy rabbits from now...

I had one doe that produced two MF's once, she died mysteriously a few months later. I got rid of the buck I had bred her with, he was the oddball sable point that came out of my silver martens. None of my other rabbits have ever produced hippos or MF's, and I hope I never get rabbits that do.

Yes, I have seen the difference. Carriers are supposed to have longer fur between their ears and one of yours recently you said had longer fur on the jowl. Is there anything else?

 

[Shaded Night Rabbitry]

I'm not sure if you mean me, LAH, or both. Dx

Nope, that's about it. but it makes the entire head appear a lot nicer. =/

 

[lelanatty]

Shaded Night Rabbitry wrote:

I'm not sure if you mean me, LAH, or both. Dx

Nope, that's about it. but it makes the entire head appear a lot nicer. =/

Mostly I mean LAH. But LAH mostly does shadeds anyways right? I don't think I'll ever have shadeds so no worries.

While there is that benefit to MF, I think the costs far outweigh that. And there are rabbits who actually do have nicer heads, instead of using the MF stuff to "appear" nicer.

My apologies if any of my comments seem offensive. I am in no way calling anyone who tolerates these issues a bad breeder, it's just my personal opinion not to view MF's as acceptable because they are extremely inefficient. Like you said, you had to put them down, and you could have had them to sell.

 

[Shaded Night Rabbitry]

lelanatty wrote:

Shaded Night Rabbitry wrote:

I'm not sure if you mean me, LAH, or both. Dx

Nope, that's about it. but it makes the entire head appear a lot nicer. =/

Mostly I mean LAH. But LAH mostly does shadeds anyways right? I don't think I'll ever have shadeds so no worries.

While there is that benefit to MF, I think the costs far outweigh that. And there are rabbits who actually do have nicer heads, instead of using the MF stuff to "appear" nicer.

My apologies if any of my comments seem offensive. I am in no way calling anyone who tolerates these issues a bad breeder, it's just my personal opinion not to view MF's as acceptable because they are extremely inefficient. Like you said, you had to put them down, and you could have had them to sell.

LAH has an old silver marten line, but I think they're all infused with shaded so it'd never be much use to you.

Eh; I think the benefits outweigh the costs, but I guess we'll agree to disagree. =D

And I do agree, while it's better to ~have~ a nice head, having the combo of a nice head and the extra fur is still a plus to me. (yes, almost my entire herd has sucky heads, apart from one buck. but the combo of the fur and his head makes for a killer look.)

X3 And sell? What selling? I can't seem to sell ~anything~ for more than $10 right now. >.>;

 

[lelanatty]

Shaded Night Rabbitry wrote:

LAH has an old silver marten line, but I think they're all infused with shaded so it'd never be much use to you.

Eh; I think the benefits outweigh the costs, but I guess we'll agree to disagree. =D

And I do agree, while it's better to ~have~ a nice head, having the combo of a nice head and the extra fur is still a plus to me. (yes, almost my entire herd has sucky heads, apart from one buck. but the combo of the fur and his head makes for a killer look.)

X3 And sell? What selling? I can't seem to sell ~anything~ for more than $10 right now. >.>;

Agree to disagree for sure.

You mentioned getting 4 MF's and said you wished you could have sold them because you have a waiting list for sable point does...

(TBH, I would have rathered all 6 sable points live so I had something to sell. Huge waiting list for sable point does. Dx)

Are you really not selling you rabbits for more than $10? That's crazy! Mine are not nearly as good as yours and they always go for at least $20 or more.

 

[Shaded Night Rabbitry]

lelanatty wrote:

Shaded Night Rabbitry wrote:

LAH has an old silver marten line, but I think they're all infused with shaded so it'd never be much use to you.

Eh; I think the benefits outweigh the costs, but I guess we'll agree to disagree. =D

And I do agree, while it's better to ~have~ a nice head, having the combo of a nice head and the extra fur is still a plus to me. (yes, almost my entire herd has sucky heads, apart from one buck. but the combo of the fur and his head makes for a killer look.)

X3 And sell? What selling? I can't seem to sell ~anything~ for more than $10 right now. >.>;

Agree to disagree for sure.

You mentioned getting 4 MF's and said you wished you could have sold them because you have a waiting list for sable point does...

(TBH, I would have rathered all 6 sable points live so I had something to sell. Huge waiting list for sable point does. Dx)

Are you really not selling you rabbits for more than $10? That's crazy! Mine are not nearly as good as yours and they always go for at least $20 or more.

Yeah, but knowing my current luck they would have all bucks. Which is why I can't sell ~anything~.

And lies. I don't really think either of us is better than the other. X3

I just want state convention again. I wouldn't mind selling all the junior does for $50 a piece. X.x

 

[Sabine]

Somewhat belated congrats on the broken babies. A shame about the MF's. I am still dreading for another one to crop up in my litter. And I'm sure they will.