dutch mom has no milk

[iluvdutchrabbbits90]

Ok so my litter of 4 dutch were born the 29th. Yesterday when i ckecked them they were not full at all. We got goat milk from are vet and i have been feeding them that twice a day. She is still cleaning them and they are still in the nest with her. But is their a shotthe vet can give her to bring her milk in? If so shes going to the vet as soon as the sun comes up! Its the only chocolate in the litter im worried about as he/she is kind of boney.

 

[Pipp]

Any idea why she has no milk? Are her teats swollen? Leaky? Blue? Misshapen? Anything like that?

Is she stressed? That can interfere with milk production as well. But again, it's been awhile.

What is her diet? Is she getting as many high protein pellets as she can eat? Is she drinking a lot?

Is she not producing any milk at all? Can you try just giving her the bony kit on its own? You can hold her over the kit and see if it seems to be feeding.

I'm not a breeder, but I think normally Vets will give Oxytocin, a hormone, to stimulate milk production, but that's right after birth. I don't know about doing that after this long. Hopefully its an option, because bottle feeding hardly ever works.

But you really have to ID the problem with the mother.

PS: It may be an idea to give the kits a few drops of Pedialyte as well, dehydration can be an issue.


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[TinysMom]

I would definitely recommend seeing the vet ASAP to see what he can recommend.

Here is a formula and information we have on feeding rabbits that need formula...

The very best food for baby bunnies is their mama's milk. If a doe does have milk - and you have some smaller babies - you can take them to her for extra feedings but putting her in a box or basket with the babies and putting treats in the box for her to eat. Lightly put your hand on her head if necessary to keep her in the box and see if the babies can get extra milk this way. I do this every 2-4 hours until the babies get the extra feeding. I try to make sure they get one extra feeding per day.

However - sometimes supplemental feeding is necessary of something other than mother's milk.

There are several different formulas that I've seen - this is the one I personally use. It is from Dana Krempels - a respected rabbit expert.

[*] Formula recipe

• fresh, whole goat milk - 1/2 cup
• KMR (Kitten Milk Replacer by PetAg) - 1/2 cup
• lyophilized (freeze dried) colostrum - contents of 10 capsules, or 1-1.5 Tablespoons
  • This is available at most high-quality health food stores, either in bulk powder form, or in capsules. It's expensive, but will give the babies their best head start.
• heavy cream - 3 cc (a cc is the same as one ml, or milliliter), equal to about 1/2 teaspoon

Mix ingredients together in a lidded container, and shake very well until colostrum is dissolved. It's best to mix this a few hours in advance so that the colostrum has time to soften and suspend easily.

Heat the formula to about 105[sup]o[/sup] Farenheit (you can gauge this with a common, quick-read plastic rectal thermometer (unused, or fully sterilized!) from any pharmacy.) and keep it warm in a water bath while you feed the babies. They are generally more eager to accept warm formula.

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So - you've made your formula and now its time to feed the babies. How much do you give? One good way to tell if they've had enough is if they have "ping pong" bellies showing that they're full.

Dana also shares some measurements with us in her article:

[*] Newborn to One Week: two - two and a half cc/ml each feeding (two feedings per day).

• NOTE: Many newborn mammals cannot urinate/defecate on their own. The baby bunnies will require the stimulation of the mother's grooming tongue on their bellies and ano-genital region in order to release a stream of urine and those pinhead-sized poops. Fortunately, you do not have to use your tongue. Use a cottonball (or even a very clean and disinfected fingertip) moistened with warm water, and gently tap/rub the urogenital area until you feel the baby's abdominal muscles tense and get that rewarding stream of warm pee! (Now you see why we suggest you use a towel on your lap.) Getting a urination response may take 15-20 seconds of stimulation, or even more. Many sources recommend doing this before feeding, and if it works--fine. However, sometimes the stimulus of a full stomach makes this easier. If the baby will not urinate before feeding, try again after feeding, and you will likely get a good response.
  Failure to stimulate the babies to urinate/defecate can in the death of the baby (the bladder can actually rupture if it is not stimulated to empty!), so be sure you do this procedure diligently, gently, and patiently! It may take a couple of weeks before the babies are able to urinate and defecate on their own. Watch for signs of redness/irritation around the anus and uretrhal opening, which indicate you are stimulating too vigorously. Back off on the pressure, and apply a bit of soothing calendula ointment (available at health food stores) to heal the irritation.
  
  [align=JUSTIFY]If the feces come out liquid or "smeary", it's a sign of potentially serious trouble. Consult your rabbit-experienced veterinarian at the first sign of diarrhea, as this can be fatal in only a few hours in a baby rabbit.[/align]

[*] One to two weeks: 5-7 cc/ml each feeding (two feedings per day). The amount will depending on bunny, and may be much LESS if the baby is small.

• NOTE: Do not allow a baby rabbit overfeed at one sitting! Once a baby learns the Turbo Suck (tm), he can suckle so quickly that it's possible for him to ingest a volume too great for his little tummy. Although it's unlikely for the stomach to rupture, stretching it too taut can cause pain, gas, and make the baby sick. It is better to underfeed slightly than overfeed. If in doubt, let the baby rest for about a minute after feeding, then offer the nipple again. This gives time for the stretch receptors to respond and let the baby know he's really full.

[*] Two to three weeks: 7-13 cc/ml each feeding (two feedings). Domestic rabbits' eyes open at about 10 days of age. Start introducing them to timothy and oat hay, pellets and water in a shallow dish.
[*] Three to six weeks: 13-15 cc/ml each feeding (two feedings) As always, quantity may be LESS depending on the size of the rabbit.

• NOTE: At the age of about three weeks, babies will begin to experiment with solid food. Not only is it important to continue enriching the formula with colostrum, but at this stage it is time to inoculate them with normal rabbit bacterial flora from a healthy, parasite-free adult rabbit. Start to scout for a potential cecotrope donor when you first take the babies into your care. When they're about 2.5 - 3 weeks old, obtain a fresh cecotrope and mix it into a small quantity of formula. You will probably have to feed this as if it were medicine, as most babies do NOT enjoy this "special" formula. But it will help to establish their normal flora at a time when the stomach pH is likely not to interfere with proper colonization of healthy bacterial flora farther down the intestinal tract. Inoculation for 2-3 days in a row seems to be sufficient for establishment of normal flora.

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You can find the article in its entirety here.

Please remember and understand that there are many different suggestions for formula and procedures - this is simply the one I use when needed.

 

[pamnock]

Check to be sure she doesn't have mastitis. The doe's milk doesn't come in until a few days after giving birth (she producescolostrum first). If you are absolutely certain that this doe isn't a good milker, I would not continue to breed her. Milk production is a genetically influenced trait - you want to breed rabbits and produce a line that can care for their own line.

 

[iluvdutchrabbbits90]

Her teats are very dark pink. She has had 3 litters before and no problem. She fed them good the first 2 days.

 

[iluvdutchrabbbits90]

She also has pellets&oats all the time. She is drinking a normal amount. And she does not seem stressed at all unless u call sleeping and eating stressfull lol

I just checked her agian her teats are normal color no swelling and one kit looks some what full. So i think she must just be making a little bit of milk. We talked to the vet and she said she is going to give her Oxytocin.

 

[iluvdutchrabbbits90]

Ok so Willow got her shot of Oxytocin June 3rd and just got her milk in today :?

So i have hand fed them 7 days! So they will be 9 days old tomorrow. Im soooo happy i dont have to hand feed them any more itssooo verystress full, and im bottle feeding 7 kittens and a calf lol

 

[mistyjr]

iluvdutchrabbbits90 wrote:

Ok so Willow got her shot of Oxytocin June 3rd and just got her milk in today :?

So i have hand fed them 7 days! So they will be 9 days old tomorrow. Im soooo happy i dont have to hand feed them any more itssooo verystress full, and im bottle feeding 7 kittens and a calf lol

I love hand feeding baby calves! :big wink::biggrin2: