colour of my new mini rex doe?

[kwilds]

Hi, I recently purchased a pedigreed mini rex doe to start my breeding herd. On her papers it says she is ermine (which I understand is also called frosted point) I have tried researching this colour to try and get an idea of what colours she can produce but the description of ermine/frosted point doesn't seem to match her colour very well. The descriptions say a frosted point has darker tips on the hair and is more or less the same colour all over. My doe has a cream coloured body with no ticking that I can see (if I looked at her without knowing anything about colours I would probably call her "buttermilk"!) She also has very light but very definate shaded points - more like a really light sable point. She has a half brother (same sire) who IS sable point and her maternal grandsire is sable point. Her sire was broken black and the top half of her pedigree is almost exclusively br black (with one br tort.) Dam is chinchilla with sable point, br chin, seal, br siamese, br chin and br black behind her) My question is does sable point sometime come out very light? If she is sable point will she produce babies with darker points than herself. If she is ermine could she still produce sable point?

I don't know how to post pictures here!

Karin

 

[pamnock]

You can email me some photos and I'll post them for you [email protected]

An ermine can still produce sable point if that ermine carries a self gene. If the ermine is homozygous agouti, no sable points can be produced. Ermines with the chin chd gene instead of the shaded chl gene will produce darker sable points aka sallanders.

Sable points can be especially light if they carry rew c.



Sallander:

http://www.kaniner.info/images/sallander.jpg



Pam

 

[kwilds]

Wow that sallander is cool!

Ifsire was a broken black then my girl should be Aa...... right? A from her Chin dam and a from her self colored sire. If she got an a from her dam (Dam must be Aa too as her sire was Sable point which is aa?)

Having spent the last few hours searching for photo's of rabbit colours, as well as descriptions I am convinced she is indeed ermine. She has no REW on her pedigree though I suppose it is one gene that can hide for generations. Some of the google images I've found on frosted point look very much like her.

Thank you!

here is a picture of her - doesn't show her shading well, I'll try to get a better one later!

 

[pamnock]

Yes - your girl does appear to be an ermine, and yes she would have to be Aa due to the self sire. And yes - the dam would be Aa due to the sable point sire.

Pam

 

[kwilds]

Hmmm . . . looks like I'm starting to figure out the genetics a bit! Thanks so much Pam!

 

[Silver Star Rabbitry]

Pam,

Is the Sallander a breed that has not been recognized yet or is it a color?

It is very pretty!

Emily

 

[wooly_queen]

Its a recognized breed in the UK Emily.

 

[pamnock]

Sallander is a breed as well as a color. The term really isn't used in the US except by those into genetics who want to distinguish between the light cchland dark sable cchd points.

Pam