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I changed by bunny's diet a little today after doing some reading on how they should be fed, and after a couple of ours after I gave my Simba food, I noticed that he has been letting out some gas. I fed him fresh kale, Timothy, alfalfa, and orchard hay, and regular bunny pellets. Any thoughts as to what could have caused the gas?
Previously, I only gave him alfalfa hay, pellets, lettuce and carrots.
 
It might be the kale since that is one of the new things you gave him. I have never heard of Timothy hay or orchard grass giving a rabbit gas so by process of elimination, I'd suspect the kale. My bunnies tend to get a lot of sediment in their pee from kale because it is high in calcium so I only give it to them once in a while, but I don't know if it tends to give rabbits gas or not. It's good that you only introduced one new veggie at a time so you can watch for problems. I'm not sure if gas is that big of a problem if the rabbit is able to "let it out." I've only heard of it being a problem if it gets trapped in their gut. Hopefully, some more experienced forum members can give you some advice about this.

How old is your bunny?
 
Kale CAN cause gas (not as badly as things like broccoli, cauliflower and cabbage, but it can cause some), which is one of a few reasons that it should be somewhat limited (no more than around 1/3 of the total veggies given in a day and not fed more than 3-4 days a week). Pellets could potentially cause gas in some bunnies, I believe... however, if you haven't switched pellets recently, I don't see that being the culprit.

Lettuce is a great veggie as long as it's a dark green lettuce and not iceberg. Cilantro is another veggie that has no need to be limited.

This veggie list has pretty good information regarding oxalic acid content of veggies, but doesn't mention calcium:
http://rabbit.org/suggested-vegetables-and-fruits-for-a-rabbit-diet/
I used to link to 3bunnies.org for calcium info, but unfortunately that page seems to no longer exist *cry*
http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/Food/Food_main.htm is also good

With 3bunnies gone, I'll have to dig into my sugar glider links for calcium (which provide more in-depth info anyway). For what it's worth, I've actually heard from many vets that there is NO direct link or causation between calcium intake (from diet) and calcium-related problems like bladder sludge... however, some vets and owners will say otherwise. I've got no conclusive proof to offer either way, so I recommend that rabbit owners decide for themselves how cautious they feel they should be regarding calcium in the diet.

As a note, the glider pages also contain phosphorus information - this is because phosphorus interferes with calcium absorption. A 1.5-2:1 ratio is recommended for them... http://www.therabbithouse.com/diet/rabbit-food-comparison.asp also cites 1.5-2:1 as the ideal ratio for rabbit pellets, though it doesn't mention if that applies to the overall diet as well. If that goes over your head a bit, feel free to disregard it, lol - Ca:p stuff gets awfully complicated and "mathy". In the glider world, people tend to get way too hung up on it instead of simply feeding a very wide variety of fruits and veggies - I don't want to send rabbit owners down the same path!

I recommend that you avoid feeding large amounts of things that have a very high ratio of calcium to phosphorus and leave it at that:
http://www.gliderkids.com/FruitVegLIST2011.pdf
http://www.sweet-sugar-gliders.com/calcium_phosphorous_ratios.pdf
(Please remember, these are resources for sugar glider owners - I don't remember everything on those pages... there's no guarantee that all fruits and vegetables listed are safe and/or recommended for rabbits. For rabbit-safe fruits and veggies, you can check this page.)

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Back to the gas issue... rabbits typically have a very hard time getting rid of gas. If he's passing some of the gas, that's always good; however, it doesn't mean there isn't more gas still trapped in his digestive system.

I suggest giving simethicone (any brand of OTC baby gas drops) - simethicone is VERY safe for rabbits. Recommended dosing is 1-2 cc every hour for 3h, then 1 cc every 3-8h as needed if it seems to be helping.

While you're most likely in the clear if you treat with simethicone and ease up on the gas-causing veggies, it IS possible for a gassy bunny to develop GI stasis as a result. You need to keep a close eye on your bunny for the next couple days to make sure that he doesn't display any decrease in appetite, that there's not a noticeable decrease in fecal poop output and that you don't see him sitting hunched up (similar to how a person might if they had a tummy-ache). Another sign to look for is if he's frequently laying down only to get right back up - this can indicate that laying down puts pressure on the trapped gas and makes him uncomfortable. If you see any of these signs and simethicone is not helping, it's time for a vet visit.

Please keep in mind that if a bunny goes 8-12 hours without eating and/or pooping, it's considered a medical EMERGENCY! Rabbits have a digestive tract that needs to constantly be moving - GI stasis can easily be fatal for a bunny if left untreated.
 
Thank you! The gas has stopped after that one day, and my bunny's stool has not changed after I changed his diet a little bit.
But I am a bit lost in the subject of veggies. I feed my bunny pellets and hay every day, and I think I said in the first post that I think that kind of a diet is, how do I say, too "dry" for him. I feel like he should have some kind of veggies every day. Now I give him a limited portion of kale. I read that the amount of veggies given daily should be proportioned to the rabbit's overall mass. Simba is about 6 lbs, and I have recently switched from giving him about two cups of green leaf lettuce daily to just feeding him about a cup of kale leaves, seeing as to how I read that kale is on the "safe" list of veggies that can be given to a rabbit.
I have had him for about a year and a half now, and I have only started going in the more correct direction with his diet recently. I really regret not doing a more detailed research sooner, but thankfully Simba has never shown any signs of sickness in the time I've had him.
The question that still remains is: should I only feed him veggies a few times a week? Or is there a type of a veggie that bunnies can have everyday of it is given in a moderate amount?
 
I'm glad he's doing better! Gas can cause serious problems, but if you notice promptly and respond appropriately, it very rarely becomes vet-visit worthy.

With veggies, it's best to offer as much variety as you can - since it's recommended that cruciferous veggies, veggies high in oxalic acid and veggies high in calcium all be limited, there's little that doesn't fall into a "limited" category. Cilantro, wheat grass and all types of dark green lettuce are the only ones I can think of off-hand that don't have to be limited at all.

One veggie high in OA can be fed daily (as 1/3 of the total veggie amount) - this includes things like parsley, spinach, mustard grass, swiss chard and beet tops. Any specific high-OA veggie shouldn't be fed more than 3-4 days in a week, so you'd want to pick 2-3 veggies in that category to feed each week. Then you can choose two veggies that are low in OA to feed each day to make up the other 2/3 of the veggies - I wouldn't pick more than one that's high in calcium or more than one that's cruciferous per day.

The easiest/most convenient route is to buy three days worth of veggies at a time (since they easily keep that long in the fridge) - one that's high in OA and two that aren't. Then buy three days' worth of three *different* veggies. If you don't want to go to the store every 3 days, I highly recommend tracking down some Debbie Meyer green bags - using them, I can keep leafy green veggies fresh in the fridge for about a week instead of 3 days:
http://www.luckyvitamin.com/p-326368-evert-fresh-corp-debbie-meyer-green-bags-12-medium-bags
http://www.luckyvitamin.com/p-326370-evert-fresh-corp-debbie-meyer-green-bags-10-large-bags
(Even after shipping, that site was the best deal I've found... they also sell the XL bags, but I can fit two heads of lettuce in a large bag iirc. Each bag can be cleaned/reused up to 10 times, so they'll last you a decently long time.)

Since you haven't been giving him a wide variety of veggies, though, you need to introduce each new/unfamiliar veggie one at a time - start with a small amount and gradually increase it, making sure he tolerates it well (his poop will tell you if he doesn't). You can give veggies daily, but limit the portions of the new veggie being introduced and use familiar veggies for the rest of the daily serving.
 

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