Breeding dutch

[Hayley411]

Well I just got a Blue Dutch doe and my friend just got a Harlequin Dutch buck.

Well we are planing on breeding them in the spring. I am just wondering what colors we could expect.

Twilah (doe) has all blacks and blues in her pedigree.

Spaz (buck) has torts, harlies, blacks, and a blue in his pedigree.

What colors are dominant? Black?

~Hayley

 

[BlueCamasRabbitry]

I dont know much about genetics, but I'm guessing you'd probably get some blacks. And maybe a blue, but most likely black.

Emily

 

[BSAR]

I'm not quite sure, probably blacks and blues. But you never know really until the babies arrive!

They sure will be cute though!

 

[Starlight Rabbitry]

I am not good with genetics but I do know the basics. Black is dominant but because they both have blue in the background, can't rule that out.

The harli factor is what concerns me. You will probably get either some blue/gold harli instead of the black/gold. Just watch the colors on the babies (when they come). Can't rule out a tort or even a blue tort.

You are breeding a dominant color (Black/gold harli) to a dilute color (blue), this tends to broaden the colors meaning you will get a bunch of different colors in your litter.

This is why I only breed black and blue dutch....can't mess up the colors too much.LOL.

Are you going to get into breeding dutch or is this just a one shot deal?

Sharon

 

[Hayley411]

Well Twilah is the first dutch I have ever had and going by her and Spaz's personalities I can see myself getting into dutch. We'll see how this litter turns out.

We are actually hopeing for some blue and cream harlies out of the pairing although blues and blacks would still be great. Although I was told that blues are good for harlies but harlies are not good for blues. Not quite sure why though.

~Hayley

 

[bunnybunbunb]

It looks like the harlie buck is a shaded, whether that is good in Dutch I do not now but it is very unwanted in other breeds. Harliquin is a agouti which is why it should not be bred to anything besides agouti. He already has poor markings(color wise), breeding him even to a good marked harlie would not be the best because it is already hard enough to get markings on dutch let alone have to weed out not only bad color marked harlies but also bad dutch marked babies too. From what I see from the pictures both rabbits are very faulted in the facial markings. The buck's blaze is really faulted however the doe's is decent, both have very badly marked cheeks. The cheeks color should be fuller and rounded out.

If your breeding for pets it is fine but if you want babies to show it would not be for the best. Very lovely rabbits either way, I am very fond of the dutch

 

[Hayley411]

The breeder (Jill pfaff)told us the buck had very good dutch markings and the only reason she wasn't keeping him was because he is alightly marked harliquin.

As for the doe I know she has a couple faults butJill said that they may go away as she sheds her baby coat.

We'll see what happens.

~Hayley

 

[bunnybunbunb]

Well I just know what I see from the pictures. Maybe his fur ismoved unnaturally or maybe I am picky but his cheek color and blaze do not look good to me. His cheek color is shaped a bit better than the doe's but not much, IMO. As I have mentioned before(not inthis boardspecifically) I have a friend who raised Harliquin dutch. It took her over a year to aquire good stock and man was her stock nice. As nice as you could get in such a new color in dutch. Your friend's buck does not have enough black to even out the look is what i ment by color which is why the breeder sold him, his lack of black. Plus he has on his flanks and eyes light spots which looks a bit unnatural so I would think that would be a fault.

Do not think I am trying to be mean or discourage you, I am just stating what I see and think. After all these will be pets I assume?

 

[Hayley411]

Sorry I didn't mean to sound rude it's just that I don't know very much about the breed yet and I was going soley on what Jill told me.

When you said they didn't look that great I was kind of feeling kind of cheatedand lied to by Jill.

The babies depending on how they turned out probably would be pets or go to some 4-h kids. Although my friend would wan't to keep any harlies in the litter, if we got any.

Is there any chance we would get harlies?

I'll have to think on it, maybe I'll just end up finding a blue buck to breed her to.

~Hayley

 

[pamnock]

Hayley411 wrote:

Sorry I didn't mean to sound rude it's just that I don't know very much about the breed yet and I was going soley on what Jill told me.

When you said they didn't look that great I was kind of feeling kind of cheatedand lied to by Jill.



Is there any chance we would get harlies?

I'll have to think on it, maybe I'll just end up finding a blue buck to breed her to.

~Hayley

They are rather nicely marked. The doe's cheeks are higher and squared off, but it's hard to get perfect markings. They both have nicely placed saddles and it looks like they both have good length of stops.

As far as quality, it looks like you got a good buy.

There is a good chance for harlis. If you are looking to breed show stock, I would most certainly not use the harli.

bunnybunbunbhad mentioned that the harli looked shaded. I agree that he appears to be a "torted" aa self harli rather than the desired agouti which gives better harli color patterns.

I wouldn't sell the non-showable animals to 4-Hers. They end up being very disappointed when they enter a show, and find out their rabbit isn't showable.

Pam

 

[Hayley411]

Thanks so much Pam. That makes me feel alot better.

When I said pet homes or 4-h I meant the well marked ones would go to 4-h kids and the mismarks pet homes. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I would hate to disapoint a kid hopeing that their rabbit does good, just to see it get DQ'd or place last.

~Hayley

 

[Starlight Rabbitry]

They look like nice dutch to me. I been breeding them for 18 years. The one thing that everyone that wants to breed dutch should know is not to breed a doe and a buck that share the same marking fault(s). This will only strengthen that fault in the babies.

You could breed two of the worst marked dutch and get one that looks nice. I once had a doe with a big white stripe that ran up her back and connected with the saddle. She had awesome type and never passed on that marking fault.

With dutch, I am VERY picky about the type on my animals...the head comes next, then color, then markings. I have been known to kick peoples' butt on the show table only for them to find out what that "winner's" parents looked like

Sharon