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This is the first time I've tried to bond two rabbits. The mix is a bit complicated because there's also a guinea pig in the middle!

One rabbit is a black dwarf spayed female, Zelda. She's about 2 years old according to the shelter I adopted her from. I've had her since December 2014. She's pretty laid back normally, she accepted my cats within hours after I got her. She lives in a large cube condo with attached pen (it can be detached if needed). I keep her cage door open so she can go in and out as she pleases.

I just adopted Rabbit #2 a couple of days ago from a student who couldn't keep him at her new dorm. His name (for the time being) is Bunny. He's tiny, about half of Zelda's size, and neutered. He's bonded with a guinea pig, they've lived together all their lives. They are 3 years old.

I know it's best to introduce them on neutral ground, but I'm in an apartment which doesn't have a lot of "ground". Also, Zelda responds poorly to being picked up or held. The shelter told me they think she may have been dropped and injured in the past.

They had their first contact last night. The new guys came with their cage, so I put the cage inside Zelda's pen but left it closed. I put a box inside the cage to give them a hiding place. Zelda went right to the cage and sniffed both the bunny and the guinea pig, and they sniffed back. I was watching carefully for signs of aggression - ears back 45 degrees, tails up. Zelda seemed excited but not aggressive. Her ears were up and pointing forward. After a short while she went about a foot from the cage and stretched fully out on the floor. I took this as a good sign. The piggy and other bunny seemed OK, grooming themselves and each other. I gave everyone banana pieces so they'd feed together.

Today has been a bit more complicated. Since they seemed good last night I took the bars off the top of the cage and left it in Zelda's pen. Bunny and Piggy stayed inside the plastic cage bottom for a long time. Zelda came to them often and they'd all sniff each other. Eventually she entered the cage bottom but just sniffed and stayed calm. Again, her ears were pointing forward and her tail was down. She sniffs the guinea pig, but mostly ignores him.

Finally Bunny climbed out of the cage bottom and began exploring the pen. Zelda followed him around. She was rubbing her chin on everything, which I think is a way to mark territory. Everything went well until Bunny wandered inside Zelda's cage. I couldn't see her very well (since she's black) but she seemed to chase him around. There was no growling or other sound, and her ears were still up. She cornered and humped him, then he shot out of the cage. She followed and chased him a but, but her ears were still up. She went into her cage and I closed the door.

I decided to leave her there and clean out the pen area to remove her scent. I removed toys, mopped the floor with dog/cat enzyme cleaner, and then scattered some of Bunny's poop around. I left a few boxes and a tunnel for hiding spots. I let Bunny and Piggy play on their own in the pen for a couple of hours.

I let Zelda back out. She started chasing Bunny around, with her ears forward again, no tail raised. They were not running as fast as they're capable of running. Both rabbits' ears were up, there was no growling, grunting etc. Zelda would rush up to Bunny, but then crouch in front of him and wait (I think asking to be groomed?).

He seems somewhat afraid of her, I don't blame him! But a few times he stood up to her when she rushed at him, and she'd just stop. I get the impression she's very excited and trying hard to make friends - but I could be wrong! Now when Zelda approaches him, he only runs away a few steps. She's not pestering him constantly anymore. Both have been feeding and grooming themselves. Bunny is now rubbing his chin on objects. Piggy stays in a corner litter box in the pen, but seems calm and goes to eat and drink.

So - I think things are going well, but I just want to make sure I'm not misinterpreting their behaviour and body language. I'd hate to do something that ruins their chance of bonding, or let them get injured in a fight. If necessary, I could move them to my bathroom if they must be in a neutral area.
 
Honestly, I don't think that the new bunny and piggy should be introduced to your existing rabbit. If the piggy and rabbit have been together for this long, then it might be best to just leave them be. Keep your current rabbit separate.

My main concern is that Zelda came from a rescue. That means it is highly likely she is carrying a version of pastuerella. That is highly infectious to guinea pigs and can cause major health problems or death in the piggy.

I hope that, if this is the case, that it isn't too late and that piggy isn't already exposed.

My advice would be to stop trying to bond them. Keep the original piggy and rabbit together and keep them separate from Zelda -- don't even let them interact. Once things are settled, you could always consider getting Zelda her own bondmate and just leave Bunny and piggy be.
 
Honestly, I don't think that the new bunny and piggy should be introduced to your existing rabbit. If the piggy and rabbit have been together for this long, then it might be best to just leave them be. Keep your current rabbit separate.

My main concern is that Zelda came from a rescue. That means it is highly likely she is carrying a version of pastuerella. That is highly infectious to guinea pigs and can cause major health problems or death in the piggy.

I hope that, if this is the case, that it isn't too late and that piggy isn't already exposed.

My advice would be to stop trying to bond them. Keep the original piggy and rabbit together and keep them separate from Zelda -- don't even let them interact. Once things are settled, you could always consider getting Zelda her own bondmate and just leave Bunny and piggy be.

Thanks for the advice! Unfortunately it's too late, as I described in my first post they'd already been in contact for several hours.

I did call my vet to find out if there was anything that could be done to prevent disease transmission, she said no but was kind enough to give me some symptoms to look out for (in all of them). She said the GP is much more likely to get sick than the rabbits, especially since my original rabbit is vaccinated. She can't do anything unless he shows signs of sickness, then she can give him antibiotics, but they won't cure him.

They're actually getting along fine today. Both Bunny and Piggy were wandering around and Bunny even went inside Zelda's cage and litterbox when Zelda was around. Zelda isn't trying to chase anymore, she's staying on an upper level of her cage, sleeping. Bunny likes to hang out inside a nylon play tunnel or in the pen.

So now I'm trying to decide what to do. I can either:
- leave them all in the same cage/pen together
- Build a new CC pen/cage for Piggy to live on his own, maybe adopt another pig to keep him company
- Move both Piggy and Bunny to their own separate enclosure

I'm still researching guinea pigs to find out how much they need the company of their own kind, and which genders get along together. Mine is an entire boar. I'm leaning towards separating Piggy since he has different nutritional requirements. Until now he was given only rabbit pellets and greens. I've read they can suffer injuries from a rabbit kick or bite. Bunny is so tiny he's not much bigger than Piggy, but Zelda is at least twice their size.
 
I'm guessing you may be from the UK since you mentioned bunny being vaccinated.

Here's a UK site on piggies and rabbits:
http://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/pets/rabbits/company/rabbitsandguineapigs

And for what it's worth, Wikipedia states:
Opinion is divided over the cohousing of guinea pigs and domestic rabbits. Some published sources say that guinea pigs and rabbits complement each other well when sharing a cage.[52][53] However, as lagomorphs, rabbits have different nutritional requirements, so the two species cannot be fed the same food.[54] Rabbits may also harbor diseases (such as respiratory infections from Bordetella and Pasteurella), to which guinea pigs are susceptible.[55] Even the dwarf rabbit is much stronger than the guinea pig and may cause intentional or inadvertent injury

It would be interesting if you ended up getting a second piggy for the current one and if the new Bunny bonded with Zelda.
 
I'm guessing you may be from the UK since you mentioned bunny being vaccinated.

Here's a UK site on piggies and rabbits:
http://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/pets/rabbits/company/rabbitsandguineapigs

And for what it's worth, Wikipedia states:
Opinion is divided over the cohousing of guinea pigs and domestic rabbits. Some published sources say that guinea pigs and rabbits complement each other well when sharing a cage.[52][53] However, as lagomorphs, rabbits have different nutritional requirements, so the two species cannot be fed the same food.[54] Rabbits may also harbor diseases (such as respiratory infections from Bordetella and Pasteurella), to which guinea pigs are susceptible.[55] Even the dwarf rabbit is much stronger than the guinea pig and may cause intentional or inadvertent injury

It would be interesting if you ended up getting a second piggy for the current one and if the new Bunny bonded with Zelda.

I'm actually from Canada but we share many of the expressions and spellings (like colour). The shelter where I adopted Zelda neuters all of their rabbits and also vaccinates them.

All three are actually getting along very well. They've each picked a favourite resting spot and then they wander around the pen and cage when they want. They all sniff noses with each other and there's no sign of fear or squabbles. They even eat and sleep near each other, which I believe is a good sign.

Piggy and Bunny are still very attached, I found them snuggling together in a corner tonight. For now I don't want to separate them because they're already stressed enough with being in a new place with a new rabbit. Zelda goes back in her cage whenever I can't supervise, and overnight. I'm aware of the danger of piggies getting injured by bunnies.

I'm giving them a lot of dark greens and pepper slices, to make sure Piggy gets lots of vitamin C.

I asked about what to do with my little trio on a guinea pig forum, hopefully they will have some insight "from a guinea pig perspective". ;)
 
The "three amigos" are still getting along fine. Now my cats have joined in the mix and casually go in and out of the rabbit/piggy enclosure. One of the cats is bonded with them and even eats their hay and pellets! Sphynx are a law unto themselves. :craziness

I contacted a local guinea pig rescue and they strongly recommended that I keep the GP separate and adopt a second one to keep him company. They get rabbit/GP pairs all the time, and their first order of business is to split them up and pair them with animals of their own species. They have a spay program and females become available a few at a time. I joined their waiting list and I'm due to pick up a spayed female this week. Until then, Piggy is staying with the rabbits. I'm building a CC cage for them while I wait.
 
I'm actually from Canada but we share many of the expressions and spellings (like colour). The shelter where I adopted Zelda neuters all of their rabbits and also vaccinates them.

I have to ask... What did the Vaccinate her with and for.... There are no standard rabbit vaccinations in Canada.
 

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