August 21st Show,,,

[mistyjr]

Yesterday Saturday August 21st at the Great Lakes Rabbit Show in Charlotte, Michigan.

My wonderful Jr. Black Tort buck won 2nd place out of 4. I am so proud of him especially some people said he wouldnt be a good Lion-Head. Well he did good.. T
The only thing got him to 2nd and not first because he had sparse mane behind he's ear. About a month ago my husband cut some of hes mane to get a big knot he had. And I didnt know it wouldnt grew back.

Congrats Alex the Lion! :big wink::nasty::biggrin:

 

[mistyjr]

But my Rew Jersey Wooly did poorly. But I still love her and she will be my best brood doe.

 

[TinysMom]

Congrats to Alex....btw - trimming fur is considered "altering a rabbit" which makes them nonshowable for a while from what I've been told....so might not want to mention that if you're at another show and something like that happened.

 

[lelanatty]

Congratulations.

 

[mistyjr]

They said rabbits dont grow their fur back until they molt and it grows back when they molt. So he's fine!! Just need to wait until he molts again!

 

[mistyjr]

Thanks Lela

 

[Shaded Night Rabbitry]

TinysMom wrote:

Congrats to Alex....btw - trimming fur is considered "altering a rabbit" which makes them nonshowable for a while from what I've been told....so might not want to mention that if you're at another show and something like that happened.

So cutting a giant matt off of their butt is altering? That's odd.
Would plucking/tearing/ripping be considered okay?

 

[lelanatty]

Shaded Night Rabbitry wrote:

TinysMom wrote:

Congrats to Alex....btw - trimming fur is considered "altering a rabbit" which makes them nonshowable for a while from what I've been told....so might not want to mention that if you're at another show and something like that happened.

So cutting a giant matt off of their butt is altering? That's odd.
Would plucking/tearing/ripping be considered okay?

No that is not ok!

Apolgies, but have you not heard of all the things that can get you DQ'ed that are considered to be cheating? (Cheating meaning altering that rabbit so that it is not being shown in its completely natural form)

 

[Jaded]

lelanatty wrote:

Shaded Night Rabbitry wrote:

TinysMom wrote:

Congrats to Alex....btw - trimming fur is considered "altering a rabbit" which makes them nonshowable for a while from what I've been told....so might not want to mention that if you're at another show and something like that happened.

So cutting a giant matt off of their butt is altering? That's odd.
Would plucking/tearing/ripping be considered okay?

No that is not ok!

Apolgies, but have you not heard of all the things that can get you DQ'ed that are considered to be cheating? (Cheating meaning altering that rabbit so that it is not being shown in its completely natural form)

Lelas right, just like your not allowed to powder your rabbits before show.

 

[Shaded Night Rabbitry]

lelanatty wrote:

Shaded Night Rabbitry wrote:

TinysMom wrote:

Congrats to Alex....btw - trimming fur is considered "altering a rabbit" which makes them nonshowable for a while from what I've been told....so might not want to mention that if you're at another show and something like that happened.

So cutting a giant matt off of their butt is altering? That's odd.
Would plucking/tearing/ripping be considered okay?

No that is not ok!

Apolgies, but have you not heard of all the things that can get you DQ'ed that are considered to be cheating? (Cheating meaning altering that rabbit so that it is not being shown in its completely natural form)

I've read through the book many, many times. I just must have skipped over that very sentence, since I'm well aware of everything else that's illegal in shows. However, that's just like saying you can't brush a rabbit before you put it on the table...


ETA: And because I can feel my integrity coming into question, I've never physically had to clip a rabbit. I rarely even groom them before going up on the table. XD

 

[lelanatty]

Shaded Night Rabbitry wrote:

I've read through the book many, many times. I just must have skipped over that very sentence, since I'm well aware of everything else that's illegal in shows. However, that's just like saying you can't brush a rabbit before you put it on the table...


ETA: And because I can feel my integrity coming into question, I've never physically had to clip a rabbit. I rarely even groom them before going up on the table. XD

Brushing a rabbit is very different than clipping or cutting. Brushing out a matted portion of fur doesn't damage any of the hair shafts in the way that scissors would. Trying to make the rabbit presentable by grooming it and brushing to remove knotsis ok, but clipping, plucking, dying fur, or bleaching, which can all be used to make a rabbit look different than it gentically is, are illegal in shows.

Misty is lucky that the judge didn't realize that the fur was cut behind the rabbit's ears, but it's good that she knows now that they shouldn't show until it grows back.

Iusually don'tgroom either. ND's are such easy keepers, that's why I love them

 

[TinysMom]

First of all, Megan - I don't think anyone would call your integrity into question...you were asking a question that applies more to the wooly breeds than it does to the nethies. Even though I bred lionheads - it was something that I didn't know for my first few shows - not that I had clipped anyone.

However - in the lionhead community (email lists) this is something that tends to get discussed after shows...how this person or that person might have altered their rabbits, etc.

I don't remember what happens if they figure out you did this - I know your entries for the current show are removed - but I'm not sure if there is like a 1 year ban on showing or whatever...I've not read about it at all.

I suppose we could ask Pam the answer since she's a judge...

 

[mistyjr]

lelanatty wrote:

Shaded Night Rabbitry wrote:

I've read through the book many, many times. I just must have skipped over that very sentence, since I'm well aware of everything else that's illegal in shows. However, that's just like saying you can't brush a rabbit before you put it on the table...


ETA: And because I can feel my integrity coming into question, I've never physically had to clip a rabbit. I rarely even groom them before going up on the table. XD

Brushing a rabbit is very different than clipping or cutting. Brushing out a matted portion of fur doesn't damage any of the hair shafts in the way that scissors would. Trying to make the rabbit presentable by grooming it and brushing to remove knotsis ok, but clipping, plucking, dying fur, or bleaching, which can all be used to make a rabbit look different than it gentically is, are illegal in shows.

Misty is lucky that the judge didn't realize that the fur was cut behind the rabbit's ears, but it's good that she knows now that they shouldn't show until it grows back.

Iusually don'tgroom either. ND's are such easy keepers, that's why I love them

Yup. Know I know. I didnt know anything about it until my Jersey Wooly told me about it couple weeks ago.. People make mistakes.
It just looks like its too short like the comment said. I just have to wait until he molts and retry again at showing.

 

[mistyjr]

and yeah, I know about not brushing before taking up to the table. I just brush them out just about a week before a show just incase theres knots. I know it says that you have to get all the knots out and what not.

 

[pamnock]

Grooming a rabbit is fine - such as cutting a mat off the butt. Judges can generally detect the difference between a mat cut off the butt as opposed to the saddle line cut on a dutch, tassles trimmed off a Jersey Wooly's ear, or face/skirt wool cut off a Lion Head. Trimming a Lion's mane would obviously not benefit the placement ofthe rabbit, so isn't considered cheating. Theintent of the rule isaltering with the intent to deceive - not to punish grooming mishaps.

Intent to deceive and hide a DQ is another story. The exhibitor risks having his/her entire entry disqualified and may also have their ARBA membership suspended or be banned from shows (I've known of examples of all these incidences.)

 

[TinysMom]

mistyjr wrote:

and yeah, I know about not brushing before taking up to the table. I just brush them out just about a week before a show just incase theres knots. I know it says that you have to get all the knots out and what not.

Oh wow - I always brushed them before taking them to the table...Art & I would take two grooming tables and brush them during the show to make sure any knots were out.

Anyway - glad you're happy about how your guy did.

 

[Jashaira]

I always see grooming done at the show. Even people who bring blowers to fluff them up. Now I think what Pam is saying I saw someone pucking stray white hairs off a solid black so he would not be DQed(I never done this just saw someone doing it).

 

[lelanatty]

Many people do groom at the shows and that is allowed.

Some people prefer to do their grooming before the show so that they don't bring "barn funk" into the show and then try to rush to groom it out while they are there, but many people do.

 

[mistyjr]

pamnock wrote:

Grooming a rabbit is fine - such as cutting a mat off the butt. Judges can generally detect the difference between a mat cut off the butt as opposed to the saddle line cut on a dutch, tassles trimmed off a Jersey Wooly's ear, or face/skirt wool cut off a Lion Head. Trimming a Lion's mane would obviously not benefit the placement ofthe rabbit, so isn't considered cheating. Theintent of the rule isaltering with the intent to deceive - not to punish grooming mishaps.

Intent to deceive and hide a DQ is another story. The exhibitor risks having his/her entire entry disqualified and may also have their ARBA membership suspended or be banned from shows (I've known of examples of all these incidences.)

I never trimmed hes mane for any showing. The matt was so huge and I couldnt get it out with the brush. And we tried so many times and it didnt want too. So we had to cut it out. But now I know that because we cut that out and he got 2nd place just because of that.. Now I know not to cut hes fur at all.
But I do comb the small knots by hes butt and leg area.

 

[mistyjr]

Yes, I have seen many and many people groom there rabbits. But I was told by many breeders that you arent supposed to brush and fluff up the Jersey Wooly just before putting on the table. That is what my Wooly breeder told me but I have lots of people doing this.