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Felix is just around 14 weeks old, and I've only had him for a month and a half, yet... I'm going to be meeting another bunny this week, to see if she might be a good match for him and me.

:whistling

I love my little guy so much, but I feel like I'm not enough of a companion for him, and I'd love to have another bunny to lavish over! He's ready for neutering far earlier than I thought he might be, which allowed me to entertain the thought of getting him a bond buddy. I'm planning to get him neutered this week, as I've found a wonderful looking vet. It's a bit farther than I'd like, and more expensive than I'd like, but they specialise in exotic pets and rabbits make up around 40% of their patients, so it sounds like a trustworthy place to go.

If she comes home with me, they'll be in separate spaces for 3-4 weeks after Felix's neutering, until his hormones have subsided. Hopefully they'll get along well - if not, I guess I just get to take up twice as much space with buns in my house! :p

Wanted to share a baby picture of the little doe - she's a seal point mini lop:

IMAG2574-1.jpg

If I take her home, she'll be getting a very royal princessy name, I think. :)
 
She is absolutely adorable! With her AND Felix it will be cuteness overload! Lol. Good luck, can't wait to see pictures and hear stories of their adventures together. :)
 
She IS adorable! But just wanted to be sure you realize that just neutering him isn't enough. She will need to be spayed too.

In all likelihood, once his hormones settle down, they may 'appear' to get along. But bonding with a baby isn't a true bond. They may snuggle and cuddle all day and then suddenly, one day after her hormones have kicked in, she may turn on him and a serious fight may break out.

If that happens and you aren't there to stop it, the consequences could be disastrous. It can be risky to leave hormonal buns together.

I know it may sound otherwise, but I don't want to discourage you from getting a second bunny. I'd just urge caution. It would be far easier to wait until he's fixed and then let him bunny date some spayed females. That way he gets to choose the girl.
 
Felix is just around 14 weeks old, and I've only had him for a month and a half, yet... I'm going to be meeting another bunny this week, to see if she might be a good match for him and me.

:whistling

I love my little guy so much, but I feel like I'm not enough of a companion for him, and I'd love to have another bunny to lavish over! He's ready for neutering far earlier than I thought he might be, which allowed me to entertain the thought of getting him a bond buddy. I'm planning to get him neutered this week, as I've found a wonderful looking vet. It's a bit farther than I'd like, and more expensive than I'd like, but they specialise in exotic pets and rabbits make up around 40% of their patients, so it sounds like a trustworthy place to go.

If she comes home with me, they'll be in separate spaces for 3-4 weeks after Felix's neutering, until his hormones have subsided. Hopefully they'll get along well - if not, I guess I just get to take up twice as much space with buns in my house! :p

Wanted to share a baby picture of the little doe - she's a seal point mini lop:

IMAG2574-1.jpg

If I take her home, she'll be getting a very royal princessy name, I think. :)

No matter what happens she is CUTE. I love her!!! I hpe you get her!
What an adorable bunny!!!

You may need to get her fixed as well in case she revolts after her hormones kick in but seeing if they get along might be ok or you might
have to keep them apart for a while.. you know in a way also it depends
on the buns..

However if your heart is set on getting her, I would and then work out the logistics on where you are going to keep them. I am still keeping Brooke and Lady apart because they are still about to kill each other because they are not bonded (sheesh you think after a car trip from Tennessee to Maryland/DC they would have bonded talked about family,etc.. but NO! and Brooke appears to have a long memory and remember the first day I got them Lady jumped on her and did a Mike Tyson on her butt and whupped her good when I wasn't looking and couldn't break them up fast enough and then tried to bit Lady in the vet's office last month for a check up...) but slowly and surely you can work on it like I have been and hopefully with more success and they should be fine after they have been fixed and you can then put them together in the same play spaces...
I know it sucks keeping them apart and trust me, I know PERSONALLY from having to keep ALL MY BUNS apart.. from Chico and Chica in their own space in the hallway to Lady in the kitchen to Brooke on the porch now!

But let us know what you do and please post photos! That girl is a cutie!!:wink

Vanessa
 
Oh, what a precious little girl! I, too, hope that you decide to get her. It sounds as though you're prepared to keep them apart if bonding doesn't work out. And, as long as you have the time, energy, space, and financial ability to care for two bunnies, it would be okay regardless of whether they bond to one another or not.

Spaying her may be a necessity if you're bent on bonding them. Even though they may do well together now, her hormones, later on down the road, may change their relationship from one of closeness to one full of potential risks. Bonding a baby to an older rabbit is usually quite simple, but it can turn sour once the baby develops hormones of her own. But, that being said, not every bonded pair needs to be a neutered/spayed pair. As long as you're conscientious and prepared to separate them if need be, I think you are in a position to attempt bonding. Just know that things can go downhill fast.

Please let us know if you do decide to jump on the little seal point doe. And, of course, if you do make the decision to bring her home, pics will be in order! Good luck with whatever you decide to do!
 
I went and met the little one today. :)

She's tiny right now, very fluffy, playful, and adorable. I also got to see her mama, who was SO friendly and well-behaved! She had a fantastic temperament and apparently the father does too, so she should be a really friendly and laid back bun, hopefully. I did put my name down to pick her up in a couple of weeks - she'll only be 7.5 weeks old at that time, but the breeder is going away and would prefer to have this litter find their homes before she leaves.

I'm planning on getting her spayed eventually, and I'm ready to deal with possible bonding problems once her hormones kick in. I might let them play together when supervised but sleep separately for a while, until she's hit her hormonal time and been spayed, for safety reasons. It's gonna be strange that she'll end up being bigger than Felix! :p
 
It sounds like you've really done your research and picked an excellent vet for the neuter!

Males remain fertile for a while post-neuter, but since females typically mature around 4-6 months old and 12 weeks is considered the cut-off for keeping an intact female with a fertile male (as a precaution against early bloomers), that won't be a concern here - he'll definitely be infertile by the time she's 12 weeks old.

Depending on how old she needs to be for a spay, she could be 7 months old before you can start truly bonding them (since it takes up to a month for females' hormones to dissipate after a spay), which could make for a long 5 1/2+ months of keeping them housed separately... but it sounds like you're totally on board with the idea of a bonded pair being a long ways away :).

You mentioned she'll be larger than Felix; Mini lops (aka Holland lops in the US) are quite tiny, with an adult weight of 2-3 lbs, assuming they inherit the dwarf gene... so does that mean she's a either a Dwarf lop (aka Mini lop in the US; adult weight of 4-5 lbs) or an even larger lop breed? Very experienced vets are often willing to spay as young as 4 months of age IF the rabbit meets a certain weight/size threshold - for example, my San Antonio vet spays at 4-6 months old so long as they're at least about 1 kg, aka 2.2 lbs - Nala and Gaz were spayed at 5 months old, though if I'd known he had a specific weight threshold, I probably could've gotten them done a couple weeks sooner (when they were in for an appointment at three months old, I asked if I could go ahead and book their spays for a month later and he said he'd prefer to wait an extra month because of their small size; they were around 1.4 kg by their spay date).

In other words, if she's a medium sized breed rather than a dwarf (or possibly if she's a Mini (aka Holland) who didn't inherit the dwarf gene), then there's a good chance that she could meet your vet's requirements for spaying *prior* to her hormones actually kicking in. If that ended up being the case, you could avoid the one month waiting period for hormones and start officially bonding them as soon as her post-spay restriction period (typically 7-10 days) ended.

I think letting them have supervised time together but keeping them separately when you're not around to break up a fight is a solid plan. If you have their enclosures set up so that they're able to see and smell each other yet unable to fight through the bars, that's an excellent way to preserve and reinforce their "baby bond" and give you a great head-start towards an adult bond. Assuming they hit it off and forge a tentative bond prior to her spay, you'll want to make arrangements to bring him with her (even if it's in a different carrier) when she goes in for the spay so that he can wait in the back for her to get out of surgery - otherwise, he could take offense to her coming home smelling like "weird vet's office." Essentially, you'll need to treat them as a bonded pair despite keeping them separately when unsupervised (ie if one goes somewhere, they both have to go).

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As a note, I'm not sure how you're keeping Felix (ie if he's fully free-range, caged w/out time, caged with 24/7 access to a large run area or given his own room) or how you intend to set things up for two separately housed bunnies, but it's crucial that things appear "fair" from both bunns' perspectives.

A bunny who's keeping count and is displeased with their own score can build up one hell of a grudge over the span of a few months... and they don't stop to recognize if you make up for something after some time is gone past (ie one morning you give a treat to her but not him; that afternoon you do the opposite) or understand when you make up for giving one bunny one thing by giving something different to the other one. If they don't get the same thing either at the same time or back-to-back, it's actually possible for *both* bunnies to feel resentful despite things being 100% fair overall (from an objective viewpoint)! In other words, they keep score like pessimists.

Cages should be the same general size. If they have x-pens, their "runs" need to be the same general size. If one gets free-roam time while the other is caged and has them in view, the second bunny HAS to get an equivalent amount of time (and the first bunny has to be stuck watching them). If you go in to visit one bunny, be sure to visit both. If you offer a treat to one, offer a treat to the other. If you feed one or replenish their hay, make sure to do the same for the other right afterward. Also try to switch up who gets whatever first and who gets "sloppy seconds". You really want to go out of your way to make everything appear equal and fair, because most bunnies will look for any reason to assume that you're playing favorites and they're getting shafted (in particular, the "original" bunny - in your case, Felix).

Never, ever doubt bunnies' ability to keep score, or the potential for their score-keeping tendencies to undermine future bonding attempts! They're like little kids who, after you cut a sammich in order to give them each half, automatically assert that the other child's "half" is larger. Felix is a pampered only child who suddenly has to learn how to share and she's the new kid, who may very well feel she has to prove her worth compared to the original. Like human children, they could take it all in stride (choosing to simply be happy for a new companion) or they could take it as a call to war... and you won't know for sure which is the case until they're either bonded adults or it all blows up in your face... so assume you'll be dealing with a bad case of "sibling rivalry" - that way you'll be prepared if that's the case and you can be grateful/relieved if you luck out and neither is the "score-keeping" type.

Is it possible that all the precautions about fairness will ultimately be a waste of time because neither bunn bothered to keep score? Yes. *But* the consequences of a bunny displeased with their score have the potential to escalate past a point of no return (ie prompting them to attack the other rabbit at every opportunity) - in my book, that's more than enough reason to be ridiculously cautious.

When I go to serve pellets, hay or veggies, you should see the way Nala (and sometimes Gaz) stare me down, watching to see who's getting stuff first; at times, even pressing their faces against the condo grid or x-pen gate, depending on where they happen to be. If it's Norman, they silently informs me that I'd **** well pony up their share immediately afterward (and why is HE getting food first?? (never mind that they got food first last time)). If I dole out craisins between the two girls, I see them both watching to make sure the other one isn't getting more craisins than they are (making it a pet peeve of mine that it's quite difficult to pull two craisins out of the bag that are approximately the same size, as I don't dare give two small ones to one bunny to make up for giving a large one to the other). The girls watch us like hawks! If one of us feeds the cats, gives the cats treats or feeds the gliders, they stare us down like "why aren't we getting something, too??"

The trickiest thing to display impeccable fairness with would be if he gets fresh veggies every day and she doesn't get any... so it's worth noting that *IF* the breeder you get her from has been allowing her to eat f/v as a baby (by having access to mom's food or w/e), then you can disregard the rule of thumb about not introducing f/v until they're older (12 weeks to six months, depending on who you ask and how well the bunny tolerates them) and continue feeding veggies and such. Whether babies are allowed to eat veggies varies from one breeder to the next; from what I've gathered, it seems that if mom is getting lots of veggies while pregnant/nursing then kits usually tolerate them very well if they're allowed access to them when they start leaving the nest box and nibbling on mom's foods. As a result, breeders who include veggies in their does' diets generally won't bother trying to stop kits from eating them if their kits have never had issues with that. If she's been getting fresh foods, be sure to find out what f/v have been introduced and what quantities she normally gets.

If the breeder doesn't typically give her kits access to f/v, ask her opinion on when to start - chances are, she'll have a good idea whether the rabbits from that line are inclined to tolerate veggies well when they're introduced very early. Rules of thumb such as when to introduce f/v err on the side of being extra cautious because they're generalizations intended to be applicable to as many people as possible (ie they're as safe to follow if you've purchased a pet store bunny of unknown lineage as they are if you've gotten one from a very knowledgeable breeder because they're based on knowing nothing of the rabbit's history/background). In other words, I encourage you to follow the advice of her breeder even if it conflicts with the guidelines we typically recommend to folks on RO - every rule has exceptions and a breeder knows their own lines better than anyone else. If the breeder says to wait, then wait... but if she gives you the green light to feed veggies right away, feel free to do so as long as they don't appear to upset her system at all.

If the breeder ends up recommending waiting to give her veggies/fruit, there's a chance she won't care since she's not the "original" bunny and is less likely to view the other bunn as a threat (especially if you hand-feed her pellets right before or after serving him fresh foods, pretending they're special). If she does appear to take offense, it may be a good idea to take him to a different room (out of view of her) to feed that stuff.

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She is *beyond* precious, by the way - I want to snuggle the crap out of her! I hope you get her and she and Felix end up being the best of friends :D.
 
Phew, getting ready to tackle this post! :)

Males remain fertile for a while post-neuter, but since females typically mature around 4-6 months old and 12 weeks is considered the cut-off for keeping an intact female with a fertile male (as a precaution against early bloomers), that won't be a concern here - he'll definitely be infertile by the time she's 12 weeks old.
Knowing this, I'm happy that I should be able to carefully introduce them a bit sooner. I'd like for her to get used to Felix, not necessarily as a bonded bun, but just to familiarise with his personality and know what he's like. That way, after they're properly bonded, hopefully she'll be a little friendlier towards him. The breeder mentioned that his subsiding hormones coupled with a new bunny is probably going to result in some ferocious humping of the poor gal when Felix first meets her, so hopefully she'll be a trooper and put up with that!

:headsmack:

You mentioned she'll be larger than Felix; Mini lops (aka Holland lops in the US) are quite tiny, with an adult weight of 2-3 lbs, assuming they inherit the dwarf gene... so does that mean she's a either a Dwarf lop (aka Mini lop in the US; adult weight of 4-5 lbs) or an even larger lop breed? Very experienced vets are often willing to spay as young as 4 months of age IF the rabbit meets a certain weight/size threshold - for example, my San Antonio vet spays at 4-6 months old so long as they're at least about 1 kg, aka 2.2 lbs - Nala and Gaz were spayed at 5 months old, though if I'd known he had a specific weight threshold, I probably could've gotten them done a couple weeks sooner (when they were in for an appointment at three months old, I asked if I could go ahead and book their spays for a month later and he said he'd prefer to wait an extra month because of their small size; they were around 1.4 kg by their spay date).

In other words, if she's a medium sized breed rather than a dwarf (or possibly if she's a Mini (aka Holland) who didn't inherit the dwarf gene), then there's a good chance that she could meet your vet's requirements for spaying *prior* to her hormones actually kicking in. If that ended up being the case, you could avoid the one month waiting period for hormones and start officially bonding them as soon as her post-spay restriction period (typically 7-10 days) ended.
According to the breeder website, she's a mini lop as opposed to a dwarf, with a show maximum weight of 1.6kg, opposed to the ND's 1.1kg show max weight. Her mama bun was pretty big compared to an average sized netherland dwarf, but her papa bun was actually quite small, so she could end up being closer to Felix's size if I'm lucky. :p

Either way I'm probably going to be looking at a spay time of at least 4-6 months. It'll be a pain, and I was looking around for an older mini lop I might be able to adopt, but I wasn't able to find one and Felix's breeder has such wonderful buns that I was keen to have another one from her. She breeds for type and temperament, so she tends to not breed bunnies with unfriendly personalities, and she handles the ones that will be going to forever homes from birth so they're used to contact and being held.

I think letting them have supervised time together but keeping them separately when you're not around to break up a fight is a solid plan. If you have their enclosures set up so that they're able to see and smell each other yet unable to fight through the bars, that's an excellent way to preserve and reinforce their "baby bond" and give you a great head-start towards an adult bond. Assuming they hit it off and forge a tentative bond prior to her spay, you'll want to make arrangements to bring him with her (even if it's in a different carrier) when she goes in for the spay so that he can wait in the back for her to get out of surgery - otherwise, he could take offense to her coming home smelling like "weird vet's office." Essentially, you'll need to treat them as a bonded pair despite keeping them separately when unsupervised (ie if one goes somewhere, they both have to go).
Felix is boarding overnight for his neutering since we can't get him there at 7am the following morning, so when it comes time for her spay I could probably board them both to avoid 'strange vet smell'. :)

As a note, I'm not sure how you're keeping Felix (ie if he's fully free-range, caged w/out time, caged with 24/7 access to a large run area or given his own room) or how you intend to set things up for two separately housed bunnies, but it's crucial that things appear "fair" from both bunns' perspectives.
Right now, Felix is in a small hutch (upgrading to a larger one when it arrives, should be next week) but has access to about half the living room and the couch penned with an xpen. I'll probably move his new hutch into that area so he can be caged with 24/7 access to the penned area, as long as he doesn't figure out some way to escape. Eventually he might be moving to full run of the living room, if we can bun-proof everything (TV, lots of games consoles, capture card, fans, chargers, my PC and my partner's PC... yikes).

A bunny who's keeping count and is displeased with their own score can build up one hell of a grudge over the span of a few months... and they don't stop to recognize if you make up for something after some time is gone past (ie one morning you give a treat to her but not him; that afternoon you do the opposite) or understand when you make up for giving one bunny one thing by giving something different to the other one. If they don't get the same thing either at the same time or back-to-back, it's actually possible for *both* bunnies to feel resentful despite things being 100% fair overall (from an objective viewpoint)! In other words, they keep score like pessimists.

Cages should be the same general size. If they have x-pens, their "runs" need to be the same general size. If one gets free-roam time while the other is caged and has them in view, the second bunny HAS to get an equivalent amount of time (and the first bunny has to be stuck watching them). If you go in to visit one bunny, be sure to visit both. If you offer a treat to one, offer a treat to the other. If you feed one or replenish their hay, make sure to do the same for the other right afterward. Also try to switch up who gets whatever first and who gets "sloppy seconds". You really want to go out of your way to make everything appear equal and fair, because most bunnies will look for any reason to assume that you're playing favorites and they're getting shafted (in particular, the "original" bunny - in your case, Felix).
Eek, I was worried about Felix getting jealous of the new bun! I'll be doing my best to keep it fair, but I'm getting a bit worried now. :p

I was planning on moving Felix to the larger hutch and having new bun in the smaller one for sleeping... would that be okay if the hutches weren't in view of each other? I could probably even rearrange so her hutch and xpen weren't in view of his, to avoid her feeling jealous of his larger hutch?

Never, ever doubt bunnies' ability to keep score, or the potential for their score-keeping tendencies to undermine future bonding attempts! They're like little kids who, after you cut a sammich in order to give them each half, automatically assert that the other child's "half" is larger. Felix is a pampered only child who suddenly has to learn how to share and she's the new kid, who may very well feel she has to prove her worth compared to the original. Like human children, they could take it all in stride (choosing to simply be happy for a new companion) or they could take it as a call to war... and you won't know for sure which is the case until they're either bonded adults or it all blows up in your face... so assume you'll be dealing with a bad case of "sibling rivalry" - that way you'll be prepared if that's the case and you can be grateful/relieved if you luck out and neither is the "score-keeping" type.

Is it possible that all the precautions about fairness will ultimately be a waste of time because neither bunn bothered to keep score? Yes. *But* the consequences of a bunny displeased with their score have the potential to escalate past a point of no return (ie prompting them to attack the other rabbit at every opportunity) - in my book, that's more than enough reason to be ridiculously cautious.
Oof - I'm really worried about this not going well! I'm prepared for, at the worst, keeping two completely separate bunnies if I need to, but I'd love it if they can get along. I'm getting her for me, but I'm also getting her (hopefully) as a friend for Felix, so it's going to be a bit disappointing if they never get along. I'll be doing my best to keep things fair but my house is quite small and I already take up so much room with Felix - not sure how much of her own space I could give the new bun without my housemates revolting! Too bad one of them doesn't move out so I could have a whole bunny room. :hearts:

The trickiest thing to display impeccable fairness with would be if he gets fresh veggies every day and she doesn't get any... so it's worth noting that *IF* the breeder you get her from has been allowing her to eat f/v as a baby (by having access to mom's food or w/e), then you can disregard the rule of thumb about not introducing f/v until they're older (12 weeks to six months, depending on who you ask and how well the bunny tolerates them) and continue feeding veggies and such. Whether babies are allowed to eat veggies varies from one breeder to the next; from what I've gathered, it seems that if mom is getting lots of veggies while pregnant/nursing then kits usually tolerate them very well if they're allowed access to them when they start leaving the nest box and nibbling on mom's foods. As a result, breeders who include veggies in their does' diets generally won't bother trying to stop kits from eating them if their kits have never had issues with that. If she's been getting fresh foods, be sure to find out what f/v have been introduced and what quantities she normally gets.

If the breeder doesn't typically give her kits access to f/v, ask her opinion on when to start - chances are, she'll have a good idea whether the rabbits from that line are inclined to tolerate veggies well when they're introduced very early. Rules of thumb such as when to introduce f/v err on the side of being extra cautious because they're generalizations intended to be applicable to as many people as possible (ie they're as safe to follow if you've purchased a pet store bunny of unknown lineage as they are if you've gotten one from a very knowledgeable breeder because they're based on knowing nothing of the rabbit's history/background). In other words, I encourage you to follow the advice of her breeder even if it conflicts with the guidelines we typically recommend to folks on RO - every rule has exceptions and a breeder knows their own lines better than anyone else. If the breeder says to wait, then wait... but if she gives you the green light to feed veggies right away, feel free to do so as long as they don't appear to upset her system at all.

If the breeder ends up recommending waiting to give her veggies/fruit, there's a chance she won't care since she's not the "original" bunny and is less likely to view the other bunn as a threat (especially if you hand-feed her pellets right before or after serving him fresh foods, pretending they're special). If she does appear to take offense, it may be a good idea to take him to a different room (out of view of her) to feed that stuff.
My breeder generally recommends fruit and veg can be fed straight away, since the kits have access to their mama's fruit and veg. Felix was chewing on bits of apple and carrot before he even came home with me! If she doesn't tolerate them well, or I have to hold off for any reason, I might take Felix into my room for his special treats to keep them out of her sight.

You mentioned following the breeder's advice above all else for foods - would this be the same for their housing situation? She didn't mention anything to me about separating them, or jealousy, or her potentially attacking him once she becomes hormonal. She pretty much said go for it straight away - he'll have subsiding hormones but she won't be mature yet, so no chance of baby bunnies, just a little hump session from Feefs here and there.

She is *beyond* precious, by the way - I want to snuggle the crap out of her! I hope you get her and she and Felix end up being the best of friends :D.
She really is!! And oh my goodness, she's tiny right now - I forgot how small baby buns can be. I've seen Felix every day so I haven't really noticed him growing, but my housemate reckons he's doubled in size. It'll probably be more apparent once the new bun's here!
 
The breeder mentioned that his subsiding hormones coupled with a new bunny is probably going to result in some ferocious humping of the poor gal when Felix first meets her, so hopefully she'll be a trooper and put up with that!

If she seems bothered by it or if it's the ONLY thing he wants to do, I would keep them apart and try again once a week or so until you find that his hormones have died down. Also, depending on how much larger he is when you get her, you may want to wait for her to be a little older so he doesn't accidentally hurt her.


I was planning on moving Felix to the larger hutch and having new bun in the smaller one for sleeping... would that be okay if the hutches weren't in view of each other? I could probably even rearrange so her hutch and xpen weren't in view of his, to avoid her feeling jealous of his larger hutch?

Anything they can't see can't cause jealousy - as long as the rabbit in the small hutch doesn't have to see the other one sitting in a bigger hutch, you're good ;). Though keep in mind if their pens aren't in view of each other either, that limits how much bonding they can do prior to her spay.

Oof - I'm really worried about this not going well! I'm prepared for, at the worst, keeping two completely separate bunnies if I need to, but I'd love it if they can get along. I'm getting her for me, but I'm also getting her (hopefully) as a friend for Felix, so it's going to be a bit disappointing if they never get along. I'll be doing my best to keep things fair but my house is quite small and I already take up so much room with Felix - not sure how much of her own space I could give the new bun without my housemates revolting! Too bad one of them doesn't move out so I could have a whole bunny room. :hearts:

Don't let me scare you off from this! I just wanted to make you aware of what the worst-case scenario was and how to make sure you avoid it. Keep in mind that an alternative to giving them both an equal amount of space is to *rotate* spaces. This can go for the hutch bit, too, if you'd like to have the hutches in the same room - if one hutch and one run is larger, you can change which bunny is in which enclosure as long as they get equal amounts of time in the big one (even better, have the small hutch have the larger run and vice versa, but still switch)! I wouldn't go more than 24h between swaps.

You mentioned following the breeder's advice above all else for foods - would this be the same for their housing situation? She didn't mention anything to me about separating them, or jealousy, or her potentially attacking him once she becomes hormonal. She pretty much said go for it straight away - he'll have subsiding hormones but she won't be mature yet, so no chance of baby bunnies, just a little hump session from Feefs here and there.

I would say it's different - I recommended taking the breeder's advice for foods because when f/v can be introduced depends mostly on the breeder (genetics/lineage of their rabbits and whether the breeder feeds f/v early). Breeders typically have little or no hands-on experience with altered rabbits and bonding them, so they don't necessarily know more about that than pet owners do ;).

Keep in mind that before 4 months old, you don't have to worry about hormones with her so they *can* live in the same enclosure if they're getting along and you feel comfortable with it. After four months, it's up to you whether to separate as a precaution or just monitor closely for signs of fighting. I left my girls together until their spays at 5 months old, but I definitely worried a bit. If the rabbits are about the same size and have a decently large area to run in, that makes it a little less risky if a fight breaks out since neither would be at a distinct disadvantage and they'd have opportunities to get away from each other. You'd want to keep an eye out for tufts of pulled fur or anything else that indicated a scuffle happened when you weren't around.

FFS, "message is too short" because apparently it doesn't count all the crap I added to the quote, lol. Silly forum.
 
FFS, "message is too short" because apparently it doesn't count all the crap I added to the quote, lol. Silly forum.
Thanks for all the advice. :) At this point, my plan is to see if I can get them tentatively bonded prior to her spay, but keep them separated whenever I'm not around to supervise. If she starts getting hormonal/violent towards him closer to 4-6 months, I'll probably separate them but keep them nearby, as long as she's not boxing at him through the xpen or anything.

She is gorgeous! I am the same! New bunny addict so here is my new lion lop
Aw, he's gorgeous!! Love his silky coat.
 

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